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    12-07-2008, 02:59 PM
  #31
Foal
I will. :)

2 weeks. I am also lucky to be at a very Parelli Savvy barn :)
I see people (mainly adults) doing Parelli all the time.
They are very excited to see the teenagers getting into it. :)
     
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    12-07-2008, 06:39 PM
  #32
Foal
Pat Parelli recently did a show in Australia and made a huge idiot of himself.

He was incredibly rude to his volunteer and he rigged it. He made the audience clap and cheer when his volunteer had the two horses, to make the horses crazy because the arena was freaking them heaps out already. Then he'd make everyone sit still and not move from their seats when he had the horses so they'd appear calm. He said they were like that due to incorrect handling and their owner made them go crazy.. thinking that the audience wouldn't realise what he was doing.

He's just another person out their to make money, putting his name on everything. I don't think it's worth it
     
    12-08-2008, 02:33 PM
  #33
Showing
I don't want to get involved in another debate over this but I will offer my opinion on the matter. If you have parelli and follow his methods and it works for you then that's great. Some people have great success following his program and others like him. For some people, trying to follow his program is nothing more than a disaster on 4 legs. I personally don't follow any well-known NH trainer because I have been around horses all my life and most of the things that they show are just common sense. I do think that if you look around, you can find items just like what they sell for a lot less money. All I ask is that you keep an open mind and remember that Parelli is not the "only" way or the "perfect" way to train a horse and still have a great relationship. I wish you tons of luck and by all means, come back with any questions that you may have and I'm sure that someone would be able to give good advise to help through the tough times. :) I also agree with an earlier post that said just look around and take parts of other training programs also until you find something that works well for you.
     
    12-08-2008, 03:04 PM
  #34
Foal
I was wondering if anyone has tried Stacy Westfall's training methods since no one has mentioned her. Her DVD's show trained and untrained horses and students with their horses. She won a competition with other trainers one year and I was impressed with her bridless riding.
     
    12-08-2008, 03:29 PM
  #35
Foal
I actually just got in to parelli at the end of the summer, & actually bought the Success Series on ebay (love ebay!). What I love most about Parelli is the whole 'psycological aproach' when it comes to training. I really like the ideas for the human/horse relationship and bonding, and understanding how your horse sees you in terms of how they think based on your interaction with it.


But so far, I'm not sure if I want to do everything the way that they are showing to do it on the videos. Though I completely understand where they are coming from with most of it, I just don't think that I want to really do it 'that way'. So I guess I'm just taking what I like out of the dvd's. So far what I have taken out of the DVD's have been INCREDIBLY helpful, because I was having some problems with my horse when she came back home. She went from being completely insecure, nervous, and timid, to an absolute loving puppy dog. So I can honestly say that the Parelli videos have helped me considerably. Though I really like Parelli for their ideas and ways of understanding and communicating with your horse, I definitely am going to look in to other trainers as well. I mean, there's so many different aspects and realms of the horse world, I can't really imagine one person being 'right'. ;) For every trainers way of doing things, there's usually a pretty good reason behind it as to why they do it that way.


But all in all, I think Parelli is a good way of opening your mind up to the fact that the two of you should work together... It's the easiest way to prevent butting heads later on. :)
     
    12-08-2008, 03:49 PM
  #36
Weanling
I just ADORE Stacy Westafallen, she is the one that has gotten me interested in reining.


I would say you are doing the right thing, it is MUCH better to adapt his technique to yourself, not blindly follow ANYONE (not even my idol, Pony Boy). That is exactly what I did as well, and now I have my own system that works just great for me, all my horses have no 'issues' and I have one deaf horse I had to completely retrain and a food aggressive kicker that is now good as gold and a stud colt who is a doll.

Sorry if that was off topic.
     
    12-08-2008, 04:46 PM
  #37
Banned
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Originally Posted by Kincsem    
I was wondering if anyone has tried Stacy Westfall's training methods since no one has mentioned her. Her DVD's show trained and untrained horses and students with their horses. She won a competition with other trainers one year and I was impressed with her bridless riding.
Personally, I don't like Stacy Westfall. I've read and heard some pretty nasty stuff about her and I'd never support her in any way.

The reason why I do love Parelli so much is that there is nothing "shady". He's out in the open about everything and haven't ever heard any horror stories about him even with people who hate him.

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I actually just got in to parelli at the end of the summer, & actually bought the Success Series on ebay (love ebay!). What I love most about Parelli is the whole 'psycological aproach' when it comes to training. I really like the ideas for the human/horse relationship and bonding, and understanding how your horse sees you in terms of how they think based on your interaction with it.
Yes I do love that about Parelli too! As do I love how they recognize that not all horses will react the same or have one horsenality.
     
    12-08-2008, 05:45 PM
  #38
Trained
What did you hear about Stacy Westfall, Sonny? I have never heard anything bad at all from her and have been researching her techniques lately myself.

Parelli -is- out in the open. I had a problem when he openly was jumping a foal over logs. (and how he openly scams people). Your right though, I have never heard any stories about him abusing horses. I really disagree with jumping the foal but that's about all I got. I am curious to see what you have heard about Stacy...I personally think she is great.
     
    12-08-2008, 06:02 PM
  #39
Banned
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"This is probably one of the worst horsemanship groundwork training DVD's I have ever seen. NOt only is the production poor but She seems to not understanding the horse's body language or what it is trying to convey to her at all. She ignores all emotional and physical signs from the horses and teaches them that they are wrong for giving feedback of how they are feeling.

The horses in the demonstrations look braced, tense, and afraid. They are reacting and are far from responding. They are clearly not happy to be working with her. She even sais in her verbal explanations that she Forces them to respond. I honestly cannot see how she gets any positive communication from the horses at all.

Her methods are not only rough and rude but also contradicting and confusing to the horses. In one lesion they are taught to respond in one way, and in another lesson later on, using the came cue, telling them that the first response taught them is wrong and it now means something else entirely. Even simple things like her verbal explanations of what she is demonstrating are in themselves contradicting.

She speaks of the horses "having their attention on her" simply because they are facing her but the rest of their body language clearly tells that although they are watchful and wary of her at all times, their minds are clearly elsewhere, and they are constantly looking for a way out.

Many times during the videos she actually invites people to "scare" their horses. Not something I would ever recommend anyone to do, with any animal, and especially not with young horses. She tells people they should "scare" their horses, I can only imagine she believes this to de-sensatise them, and then sais to be cautious that they may lash out at you because of this. If you constantly scare and bully a horse and punish it for its efforts to escape you then it is not only understandable that it lash out at you but it is also totally acceptable and you deserve to be injured for your behaviour.

Terrorising and bullying an animal is no way to ask it to work for you, and far from asking it to enter into a partnership with you!
-From a review on one of her Training DVDs
Not my cup of tea


But I think we are off topic enough....
     
    12-08-2008, 06:09 PM
  #40
Trained
That is ONLY a review, and people are going to say harsh things. Look up some of the stuff on review places.

I would be more likely to believe an article, than a review. JMHO though
     

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