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    02-16-2009, 08:38 AM
  #71
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Thanks for straightening that out Spirithorse. I was blaming Linda for the extreme marketing techniques. I didn't know they had a "strictly business" partner.
I knew the message was getting muddied but didn't know the reason. I think Pats methods are great, especially the level one for someone who has never owned a horse before. It emphasizes safety and developing trust with the horse first and foremost. Its the method I used when I bought my very first horse and still do today. I morphed into a mishmash of input from other trainers but it was Pat Parelli who taught me how to gain the trust that is essential to horse ownership.
     
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    02-16-2009, 01:51 PM
  #72
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No problem :) A lot of people do blame Linda because she's the one who has put together the Levels packs and kinda handled that sort of thing, but it's really Mark's doing. I can't stand Mark, I wish he would quit or I wish Pat and Linda could find a way to get rid of him. I think eventually Mark will push the program too far in some areas and Pat's original message about horsemanship will be lost. But I'm not going to let Mark stunt my growth as a horsewoman. I won't allow it! Lol.
     
    02-17-2009, 08:15 PM
  #73
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I am not what you consider a "natural horseman". I'm more traditional but of course as everyone argues, alot of traditional methods have been harnessed and placed into the parelli levels and what not. I have watched pat, I like him... I've watched linda... I don't like her. I can't pin poin why... just don't.... not very fair huh??? Can't explain it....
     
    02-18-2009, 11:02 AM
  #74
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Linda certainly is more.....ummm.....exhuberant?.....than Pat is. Like she has a lot more energy coming from her when she explains things. I know some people don't like that, I personally do, it keeps my attention.
     
    02-22-2009, 06:22 PM
  #75
Yearling
I actually liked Linda, Pat felt... very slimy to me.
You can 'blame' this Mark character all you want, but take a look at what the Parelli's have--Multi-million dollar barns with indoors and acres of pasture, expensive horses, their own tack, clothes, etc.
They may have a problem with the man, but they certainly don't have a problem with the money!

Halfcircleranch sells the same halters/leads that Parelli does, made out of the very, Exact same materials. I have owned both; Parelli stuff and the HCR stuff... exact same. And at HCR, it is a LOT cheaper.

No need to pay the inflated price. ;)

I've done Parelli, and as I grew as a horse trainer I moved on. It is nice for training trail horses and developing a bond with one horse, but if you're showing and training professionally, you're going to need something else. Parelli horse's are never consistent. ;) I remember watching Linda at a clinic and her warmblood just decided not to jump the barrels and almost dumped her. No reason; he'd jumped them before and jumped them afterward--but in a show scene that inconsistency just isn't worth your safety (or judging, if it's not jumping). Not to mention they fail pretty hard at any kind of true collection--their horses are soft and supple and GREAT for the trail, but don't assume because they look pretty, that they're collected.

Mainly, if you want to follow the program go ahead. It's silly and sometimes funny, and great if you're a trail rider. My only word of advice? Skip and forget EVERYTHING Linda says about equitation. They have butched classical equitation SO BADLY that it's a joke.
     
    02-22-2009, 06:42 PM
  #76
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Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
You can 'blame' this Mark character all you want, but take a look at what the Parelli's have--Multi-million dollar barns with indoors and acres of pasture, expensive horses, their own tack, clothes, etc.

Actually, Pat and Linda only own the land that their ranches are on...Mark owns the barns, the arenas, etc. Their horses aren't that expensive....Pat's super mare Magic was "worth nothing" because she had been to 7 trainers who said she was trash....Casper, his stallion, didn't cost much. Remmer, Linda's warmblood, cost her very little b/c the owner wanted to get rid of him because he was "trying to kill her." Allure cost Linda some b/c of his breeding and athletic capabilities, but to say their horses are expensive is not that accurate.

Halfcircleranch sells the same halters/leads that Parelli does, made out of the very, Exact same materials. I have owned both; Parelli stuff and the HCR stuff... exact same. And at HCR, it is a LOT cheaper. No need to pay the inflated price. ;)

No argument there, I buy my halters, leads and reins from a friend of ours who makes the same stuff Parelli does but at a much better price. If you have the ability to get the same stuff for cheaper, by all means go for it!

I've done Parelli, and as I grew as a horse trainer I moved on. It is nice for training trail horses and developing a bond with one horse, but if you're showing and training professionally, you're going to need something else.

Care to tell Craig Johnson, Karen Rohlf, Lauren Barwick, Louis Lucio, David and Karen O'Conner and Walter Zettl that?

Parelli horse's are never consistent. ;) I remember watching Linda at a clinic and her warmblood just decided not to jump the barrels and almost dumped her. No reason; he'd jumped them before and jumped them afterward--but in a show scene that inconsistency just isn't worth your safety (or judging, if it's not jumping).

How do you know Remmer didn't feel Linda be a tad off balance or not with him? Remmer feels back to Linda beautifully. What do you think Linda should have done? Whack him a good one just b/c he's done it before? Yea, like that would make Rem want to jump for Linda again. In all the years I've gone to see their tour stops I've not once seen Rem refuse a jump. You obviously haven't seen Linda and Rem lately, they are both very consistent and as a team they are beautiful to watch.

Not to mention they fail pretty hard at any kind of true collection--their horses are soft and supple and GREAT for the trail, but don't assume because they look pretty, that they're collected.

You keep saying it's great for the trail....again, I'd like you to tell the trainers and Olympic medalists I mentioned above that

Mainly, if you want to follow the program go ahead. It's silly and sometimes funny, and great if you're a trail rider.

Another crack at people who do Parelli? Hmm, interesting.

My only word of advice? Skip and forget EVERYTHING Linda says about equitation. They have butched classical equitation SO BADLY that it's a joke.
Really? Have you even tried the techniques she teaches? I've ridden both ways....the traditional "proper" way and Linda's way and my horse WAY prefers the way Linda teaches. There's no brace, no stiffness, no sitting in positions that hurt the horse or stifle his gaits....the result is a much happier horse and a rider who is no longer hurting after riding and who is more fluid.
     
    02-22-2009, 07:15 PM
  #77
Yearling
'Care to tell Craig Johnson, Karen Rohlf, Lauren Barwick, Louis Lucio, David and Karen O'Conner and Walter Zettl that? '

Sure, I don't think the 'professionals' train the horse the way he deserves, anymore. A medal doesn't mean you do it correctly.Look at top Olympic dressage riders... most of their horses are forced into false frames and move entirely on the forehand. But, look, they're flashy!
'How do you know Remmer didn't feel Linda be a tad off balance or not with him? Remmer feels back to Linda beautifully. What do you think Linda should have done? Whack him a good one just b/c he's done it before? Yea, like that would make Rem want to jump for Linda again. In all the years I've gone to see their tour stops I've not once seen Rem refuse a jump. You obviously haven't seen Linda and Rem lately, they are both very consistent and as a team they are beautiful to watch.'

Did I say she should have smacked him?

This is the problem with people who ride parelli--you believe that people who don't smack and kick and fight their way against their horses. And then you call people like me--and I've done Parelli up to level 3-- 'close minded'.

Funny how that works!

I watched him about a year ago. And here's the thing with training for competition--if my horse feels me 'just the slightest bit off balance'--I'd like him to jump a 3-4 ft jump. If I'm always slightly off balance, then I guess I shouldn't be jumping that!

Or maybe I should just go jump some picnic tables instead, they're safe. ;)

If the 'traditional proper way' is stiff and brace-y, then you were taught incorrectly. Ever watch the classical masters? Funny, their horse's look just fine with the way they sit--with classical equitation. Want to know why? Because it's hard to learn. It's an art. And if it was easy, EVERYONE would do it correctly.

I have tried Linda's methods, and I find them sloppy and 'instant gratifications'; easy fixes to make people feel like they are getting somewhere because they don't have to fight to learn anything 'hard'. Learning something isn't supposed to be easy; you don't let your feet flop out or your shoulders slump forward. She absorbs the motions of the trot through her upper back and shoulders, not through her hips like she should.

Not to mention she'll ride Allure at a sitting trot when he's less then a year under saddle... but classical dressage riders say that green horses don't have the back muscle to handle that. Hm.

I was told to give my experiences with the program, and I did--I didn't post so you could pick it apart to argue because Parelli is the absolute and only way to train a horse so he enjoys his work. I believe I was polite and truthful in my words--I didn't trash it and I didn't put it next to the Bible.
     
    02-22-2009, 07:30 PM
  #78
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Sure, I don't think the 'professionals' train the horse the way he deserves, anymore. A medal doesn't mean you do it correctly.Look at top Olympic dressage riders... most of their horses are forced into false frames and move entirely on the forehand. But, look, they're flashy!

LOL, ok, apparently their opinions mean nothing, even though they are all accomplished in the competition world. Even Walter Zettl.

Did I say she should have smacked him?

This is the problem with people who ride parelli--you believe that people who don't smack and kick and fight their way against their horses. And then you call people like me--and I've done Parelli up to level 3-- 'close minded'.

I never called you close minded. You assume I think that because you have this idea that all Parelli people think all non-Parelli people are close minded....funny how that works.

I watched him about a year ago. And here's the thing with training for competition--if my horse feels me 'just the slightest bit off balance'--I'd like him to jump a 3-4 ft jump. If I'm always slightly off balance, then I guess I shouldn't be jumping that!

Or maybe I should just go jump some picnic tables instead, they're safe. ;)

If the horse is confident, balanced, etc. then I see nothing wrong with jumping things other than your typical jump. It's a challenge for both horse and rider, and if that's what you like to do, then it's fun. Personally I will probably never jump a picnic table, but if that's what you like to do, then that's great. The fact that Rem feels back to Linda and doesn't jump when things don't feel right is a wonderful testement to their communication and relationship. Personally if things aren't right I wouldn't want my horse to jump....b/c if things aren't right the chance of me coming off is increased.

I have tried Linda's methods, and I find them sloppy and 'instant gratifications'; easy fixes to make people feel like they are getting somewhere because they don't have to fight to learn anything 'hard'. Learning something isn't supposed to be easy; you don't let your feet flop out or your shoulders slump forward. She absorbs the motions of the trot through her upper back and shoulders, not through her hips like she should.

If you let your feet flop and your shoulders slump you were NOT riding the way Linda teaches ;) Sorry, I've been studying her way for years now and I don't slump....you have an "english" way on top and a more "western" way on bottom....but you should never slouch. Linda says that all the time in her demos and in the DVDs on Fluidity.

Not to mention she'll ride Allure at a sitting trot when he's less then a year under saddle... but classical dressage riders say that green horses don't have the back muscle to handle that. Hm.

Apparently Allure is just fine with that, and he's always had a nice topline, even when she first got him. He's active enough where he stays in shape.
     
    02-22-2009, 07:35 PM
  #79
Yearling
I have no need to fight because the argument is always the same. There are facts, and then they are ignored. Like I said, enjoy your parelli.

I will continue with classical dressage techniques.
     
    02-22-2009, 07:41 PM
  #80
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Facts are really a matter of opinion in this case.
     

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