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post #11 of 33 Old 06-17-2010, 09:55 AM
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The difference? Marketing.

Nothing we do with horses is natural.

If you work with horses using common sense and language they can understand, if you try to work with the horse instead of against it, if you listen to what they are telling you - Then you are using good horsemanship, as simple as that. It doesn't matter what method you follow.
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Plus, natural horsemanship doesn't use force or fear to communicate.
Funny. Have you watched any of the big NH types? Nice theory I suppose but it is certainly not what is practiced.
For the record, I have nothing against using appropriate force when necessary and pertaining to the situation. That is not my point. I just find it amusing when people say the NH types do not use force or fear and then you watch videos of LP whacking a horse in the face time and time again with the buckle of the lead.

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I just got a very glossy catalog from Clinton Anderson.
They certainly do not waste any money on the paper quality and such on those catalogs, do they?
If they only spent a tiny bit of money on the crappy photo shop jobs that they use on their DVDs they would not look so cheesy (my husband has a couple of the DVDs and the photo shop of Clinton Anderson standing next to a horse is VERY obviously photo shopping, bad bad photos shopping).

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They certainly do not waste any money on the paper quality and such on those catalogs, do they?
If they only spent a tiny bit of money on the crappy photo shop jobs that they use on their DVDs they would not look so cheesy (my husband has a couple of the DVDs and the photo shop of Clinton Anderson standing next to a horse is VERY obviously photo shopping, bad bad photos shopping).
I did feel kind of bad pitching it after I was done flipping through it. But I did pitch it in to the recycle bin.
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I did feel kind of bad pitching it after I was done flipping through it. But I did pitch it in to the recycle bin.


Seriously folks, whatever works for you and your horses and makes you happy is the right method.

I have no particular beef with anyone who wants to use NH unless they start spouting the, "Everyone else except us NH people are abusive. Yay for us enlightened people!" party line.
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You know, I take that correction to heart. I didn't mean to imply that traditional horsemanship is abusive. If I did, I apologize. I'm still learning so much and was just sharing some ideas I'd been thinking about. I'm trying to learn from everyone, but perhaps I'm not doing so enough. So thanks for pointing out the possible misinterpretation of that comment.

I agree that a lot of the marketing is outrageous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all disciplines, whether NH or traditional, have their overpriced stuff.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all disciplines, whether NH or traditional, have their overpriced stuff.
Thank you for clearing that up, cjd. I tend to get a little testy when I hear the, 'NH is the ONLY method that's not abusive' drivel. Glad you're not one of those people.

Oh yes, anything with a 'name' on it is going to be expensive; for example, Charles Owen helmets. I just smile and buy a much less expensive helmet that has the same exact safety rating, but not the 'cachet' of the branded stuff.

I'm practical and poor, so I don't follow fads or try to one up my fellow riders. I leave that to the people with more money than sense.
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I agree that theere is more than one effective approach. I personally love to read, so I've read books about training by everyone and his brother. . . I like having a lot of info- not that I'll necisarily (sp?) use all of it, but it is handy to have an idea of different approaches. Like everyone else, I agree that the overpriced gear is not essential.
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I find the stick just gets in my way. Do just fine with the rope halter and the line that is about 12'. All I need. Do have to watch to learn
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I did feel kind of bad pitching it after I was done flipping through it. But I did pitch it in to the recycle bin.
Me too!

I leave it on the end table for a while and flip thru it during boring commercials. Heck, it has pretty bright colors and thick shiny paper, I am kind of like a crow and shiny pretty bright things are cool to me.

Then I get tired of its silliness and I put it in the recycle bin.
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The thing about most of those newer methods, like taking 30 minutes a day to become "part of the herd" and everything is fine if you have one or two horses, but a herd of 40 working ranch horses? It's just not practical!
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heck, it has pretty bright colors and thick shiny paper, I am kind of like a crow and shiny pretty bright things are cool to me.

Then I get tired of its silliness and I put it in the recycle bin.
lol me too!!!
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