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    05-06-2012, 04:05 PM
I wholeheartedly agree.

Fortunately, I guess, I've never met Mr. P himself, just his mostly-excellent teachers. The younger ones are the most market-oriented. Many of them, I suspect, take up his course the same way you'd study Business or Economics in college: aiming at becoming CEO of a bank.

I've also watched a few "unknown" NH teachers. And guess what, they all bragged about themselves in the same way, and while they may not have special halters (I imagine it takes funds to start your own line of equipment) they all had special CD's on sale; and cameras were not allowed during their presentations. At least the Parelli clinics I attended allowed cameras. I was able to get video clips for my friends.
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    05-06-2012, 04:56 PM
I have already told this story before in a different thread but I will repeat it again.

Last winter hubby and I went to NCHA Futurity for a few days. We had free tickets to the Champions Cup via my friend who shoes a horse that was showing. Anyhow... we did a lot of hanging out in the trade show, a friend had a booth set up. It happened to be across from PP's booth and under the big screen that streams live feed from the show. I spent quite a bit of time on the couch watching...not the tv but the entertainment in the PP booth.
While Pat was busy strutting around the show with groupies in tow, Linda and other instructors were happily peddling their merchandise. They were bouncing the big ball around, playing with carrot sticks and whatever else they do. It reminded me of when you go to the carnival and carnies play with the prizes to draw you in to play with their games and part with your money.
The only people that seemed to hang out there and stop by the booth were the obvious groupies that drove in especially to see him and his clinic. They didn't appear to be cutting horse people. They were the same ones lined up for the autographing session and were the only ones to thunder to the door with newly purchased merchandise in hand when the start of the clinic was announced over the loud speaker.
I don't get the merchandising at all. (aside from the DVDs) In a different thread on this forum someone mentioned the quality of so-and so's equipment. Really?
Clinicians are not the only makers of quality gear!
You can buy the same stuff without the hefty price tag without someones name stamped on it.
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    05-06-2012, 05:10 PM
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I think that certain things from each NH leader can be useful, but it's your job to decide exactly what each of those things are. You have to go into it realizing that while no, you don't want to hurt your horse- it can easily hurt you- and so you must always be 'boss', not 'friend' as some NH leaders teach.

I'm personally a huge fan of Buck Branaman, rather than some of the other NH people. He seems to actually realize what training a horse means, and he has a good method and a head put on his shoulders. He doesn't seem to cart around so many 'products' either. He's just a trainer, like he should be.
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    05-06-2012, 11:08 PM
I will briefly explain how I felt about day two (today). First he gave a demo on lead changes. He explains what a lead change is, then canters around on a lovely horse that swaps beautifully both on the ground and under saddle. Then he proceeds to explain what a counter canter is, what cow cantering is, what cross-firing is, blah blah blah... and then he walks out of the arena and everyone claps.
Um... Hello? I still have no idea how to get my horse, to do beautiful flying changes. How about you trailer in a horse that can't do a change to save it's life, and show us FLYING CHANGES on that?!
The best part of the whole "show" was when a woman brought in her fire breathing warmblood. He "played" with the horse for about an hour, and by the end the horse was quiet, polite, responsive, and downright brave. But that was only what? AN HOUR worth of actual clinic type training with a horse that we could ALL learn something from!

My boyfriend whom had watched Buck with me when it first came out in theaters said: "I think I like Buck more. I like that he works with the horses and the humans that need the work. Not just a bunch of wonderfully trained show horses, and their perfectly trained humans."
I believe, we both felt a little betrayed by the whole thing.

Its really tough because my NH trainer is a Parelli trainer. She's an amazing human being, and an even more amazing horsewoman. I just wish I felt like I could really get behind the whole thing... but I suppose we will just have to stick to our Hodge-podge of training methods.
    05-07-2012, 12:23 PM
There's a time to be a friend and there's a time to be a boss, more often then not you will have to be the boss. I'd say, about 99.9% of the time. I will never be able to a friend to Selena, she's too dominant and too unpredictable. I can be a friend to Ruger though, he's always been so respectful and so polite.

There are times when taking the horse through the "nice" NH training is going to benefit them. Some horses, flat out, can't be "bullied" into things (Selena is one, which is why we use CA with her and she's done fairly well) although I don't consider the previous methods I used at "forceful" either.

I dunno. I just think that if people looked past the marketing we could have a lot better things to do. I won't go to a PP clinic because of what Oxer and Cowchick stated. But I'll go to a CA clinic, and I have, and learned from it.

Although, the CA goonies can be just as scary as the PP ones. Even if I am a follower of him myself, I become a hippocrit because I roll my eyes whenever I see someone advertising heavily that they "use clinton anderson's methods".
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