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        12-19-2011, 05:33 PM
      #21
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scoutrider    
    Absolutely give him a smack if he's already moving off. If he's jumped out of reach give him a good flick with the end of the lead rope. Even if he's already acting like he's been corrected, if he doesn't get the feedback from you every time he's going to get confused and start wondering exactly what is allowed and what is not. Consistency is key.
    Thanks - this exactly what I was wondering about.
         
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        12-19-2011, 05:37 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    Member was not mocking - just giving an opinion. You are over reacting.

    ~Moderating team
         
        12-19-2011, 08:14 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by ThursdayNext    
    How does engaging in a series of mocking comments - all of them misguided, since they were premised on my unstated, not-held belief that I had some kind of funky mystical bond with my horse - constitute being "nice"? It looks a whole lot more like being nasty and snarky. It would have been *appropriate* if I'd made one of those idiotic fantasy rainbows and unicorns posts, but I didn't. And even then it wouldn't have been "nice".

    Here's a piece of free advice that will save you a lot of grief down the road: Trying to score a laugh at someone else's expense is rarely a good way of getting your point across.
    You just have to remember some people are blunt and straight to the point. They don't *****foot around.

    I didn't take it bad because he was right. The horse was our first so we didn't know much. The horse was also green with little manners.
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        12-19-2011, 08:34 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    You know I think horses are a lot smarter than we give them credit for when it comes to being mouthy.... my guy NEVER nibbles or licks EXCEPT when he know I CAN'T punish him for it (i.e. He's in the middle of a pony ride with a five year old kid on his back, or the time I was trying to sell him and had some girl saddling him while he gleefully took the opportunity to run his teeth along my arm oh so gently, or when the farrier's underneath him holding up a foot and he thinks that waiting patiently is getting boring)

    Back to your question, I agree give prompt and consistant correction when he steps out of line. Yeah he jumped back a step, but make him boogy backwards ten more steps - or my more preferred method is just a quick slap in the mouth.

    And if you don't mind, Thursday, I'd like to add to your question and see if anyone has tips on how to repremend for nipping when a horse is in a situation that would not be safe to correct them in a more aggressive manner?
         
        12-19-2011, 09:29 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Perchies - I don't mind in the least - I'll be interested to see what others have to say about that, too.
         
        12-20-2011, 08:10 PM
      #26
    Foal
    My horse does this. He's a sweetie and licks nicely, but sometimes he'll accidentally snag my shirt or whatever(I don't let him lick unless I've invited him on a side note), he'll then backup twenty miles with the "I am ever so sorry, I shall never do such a terrible thing again," attitude. If he's gone out of reach I'll chase him another couple feet back, but if I can still reach him, I'll give him a little smack in the nose. He also gets obnoxiously mouthy when he knows I can't properly scold him. :/ Brat.
         
        12-20-2011, 08:14 PM
      #27
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Camigurl    
    My horse does this. He's a sweetie and licks nicely, but sometimes he'll accidentally snag my shirt or whatever(I don't let him lick unless I've invited him on a side note), he'll then backup twenty miles with the "I am ever so sorry, I shall never do such a terrible thing again," attitude. If he's gone out of reach I'll chase him another couple feet back, but if I can still reach him, I'll give him a little smack in the nose. He also gets obnoxiously mouthy when he knows I can't properly scold him. :/ Brat.
    I'm glad to know someone else's horse does this too (the OMG OOPS! Backup thing, not the getting mouthy thing). :) I sometimes think that Huey is so sharp he'll cut himself... Today we were dealing with Drama Queen action because he's never before ever never ever not in 17 long winters EVER been shocked while getting groomed in the cold. I swear...I love his personality, every bit of it, but sometimes it just leaves me at a loss for words.
         
        01-19-2012, 05:57 PM
      #28
    Foal
    I also own a rather mouthy horse. I had the advantage of knowing his original trainer, and knowing she smacked him whenever he'd try to groom her, so I let him lick on me for several months. Then, he bit me (not hard, not bad, didn't leave a bruise) and he pulled away and did the 'self-reprimand' act. I let this go on a little longer, but then as he continued to nip me occasionally, I decided I'd had enough. For 2 years I reprimanded at first for nipping, and when that didn't work any mouthing. Well... then I just decided that I didn't really care. He's a lovely, respectful boy besides that (also exceptionally intelligent imo), so this past year I let him mouth, nibble, whatever. He no longer reprimands himself, and his 'nips' happen very rarely now (once a month? I'm with him about 6-8 hours a week) and they never hurt above a pinch.
    I'll say it depends on the horse... in my case, I don't think it does any harm. It really hinges on A) it's dangerous and B) you mind. If you don't like it, or he ever draws blood, he doesn't get to do it. *shrug*

    Hope this works out for ya'. :)
         
        01-19-2012, 06:14 PM
      #29
    Showing
    Here's the biggest thing. It's not okay for a horse to mouth you at all, because it does turn into nipping, which turns into biting. It is so much easier (and makes more sense to the horse) to just not allow him to mouth you at all. It confuses the heck out of them for it to "sometimes" be okay to be mouthy, and "other times" he gets smacked and worked for it.
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        01-19-2012, 06:36 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    I am with pretty much everyone as mouthing is not OK. It is basically biting without using the teeth. He is testing the water to see how much he can get away with. He obviously knows it is wrong otherwise he wouldn't try to get away after doing so.

    Someone mentioned smacking him in the mouth...this only works on the horse that will try it once and quit it. The horse that the OP has, this won't...he will start flinging his head to evade getting smacked in the face. This horse needs to think that all Hell broke loose when he pulls this crap. He should not be allowed to mouth...it's not love like, he is not showing affection in the least bit..he is leading up to be an ass.
         

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