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    09-08-2010, 10:09 PM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
It says that Pat has been training since 1981 (29 years) and that they really formed PNH in 1993 (17 years ago)

My carrot stick is from about 1997, from Parelli, it was about $13 I think.
     
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    09-08-2010, 10:28 PM
  #12
Weanling
Gaaaah I guess im stupid or somthing I still don't gett what parelli is I guess I should go do resherch I remeber my instructro making me play "parelli" games but I don't know if its the same thing o-o
     
    09-08-2010, 11:32 PM
  #13
Green Broke
My post had a huge typo. Let me correct: "I don't think it had anything to do with /Parelli/; it had to do with the trainer."
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    09-08-2010, 11:47 PM
  #14
Yearling
Just like some horses do better in different disciplines some horses do better with paralli and some don't. My horses always did good with paralli, nh training. I really only did the ground work type stuff and all my horses were very sensitive and responded well to it. I have seen alot of horses work well with parelli groundwork but when it came to saddle stuff it went bad...that was how my last horse was....
     
    09-09-2010, 12:31 AM
  #15
Weanling
I am not against NH it works wonders. I love starting my horses naturally and being able to read their every move .
I don't like Parelli because he targets people emotionally with the romantic idea of "join up" and the rest are tricks (crowd pleases) in my opinion . I learnt about NH from my uncle when I was 12 ( just the basics) But that's all you need to start off on the right foot .
I also learn't alot from a book ( I still have around here ) called- Horses Don't Lie

You should not need to purchase anything or bounce giant balls from your horse if all you want is respect & trust , too understand what your horse is thinking. That is NH.
     
    09-09-2010, 06:57 PM
  #16
Weanling
I really like this forum. It is wealthy with helpful, friendly people who are very knowledgeable. I like every section, except for the NH one.. I thought it would be a place for people to talk about their experiences and techniques, and ask for help with specifically natural aspects of training… Instead it seems to be bashfest for bad trainers, marketing, and brand names. This makes me sad. I see this anger and intolerance as a fundamental issue in the horse community where I live as well, so I really can't help but to try and promote some peace and well-rounded opinions.

My aim here is not to torture everyone with rehashed crud, but there are so few positive things I read here I felt that I should share this story.

Solon- Yes, that is true I agree completely. Experienced horse people like you and MANY at this website have successfully used methods on many worse horses. And that's great, really it is. My trainer was trained by a woman who trained traditionally, monty Roberts style, parelli style, and with Gawani Pony Boy. She created her own out of these teachings and started a natural barn with no gimmicks and baloney. This "common sense" approach is TOTALLY great and I would promote that over ANY brand name. However.. It didn't help Sarah.. Because she was 14 and she didn’t have the experience with making her own style or changing it to fit this horse.
The structure and resources of (BRAND NAME) can help people in conjunction with a wide selection of trainers to choose from.

I don't think that Parelli is aimed at experienced veterans like Solon and anyone else who posted. I think it is meant to solve problems one might have with a specific horse or even a person who better took to the style. It is aimed at people like Sarah, and it can do GOOD things. That is my point here. As to the DVD thing, I completely agree with nrhareiner. Whenever people ask my what trainer series they should pick for natural I say "DO NOT do that until you have found a trainer to your liking!" Also, don't try to skydive or play waterpolo without adequate instruction, its common sense that many more should exhibit.

My post is about the name, but it isn't. There is so much emotion tied up in this single word.. It is the philosophy to me, that is valuable. I am a novice and reading and seeing material by (BRAND NAMES) expands my knowledge of the actions and reactions of the horse. I think some of you equestrian experts take for granted the ease with which you understand your horses and can pinpoint their motivation… obviously necessary for good training. That stuff is hard, guys! I don't care about Parelli, but I detest that the mere word Parelli has made NH look bad. I don't think it has to be that way.

As to "Crazy Arabian stallion" Z was aggressive and they later found out he had a history of abuse. I don't know the details.

Perhaps the fact that this trainer was before all the hype makes it better. But many Parelli trainers use multiple tools. Sarah is actually also headed up to CO for Parelli school, and what she says she likes about the program is that "You can have an opinion" I've never even seen her use or have PP merchandise. Wait.. She lost her Parelli pad :p so she did have something from them.

But it's true, you don't need their merchandise. I practice garden variety NH.
Our expensive materials consist of:
A halter with squares on the side
+dog chain (equals NH "bridleless")
A lead rope (leading and "teeth")
A long rope for lungeing
Aaaand... geez.. um.. I guess treats and grooming!
Wow we are cheap. ^^
     
    09-09-2010, 07:12 PM
  #17
Banned
Clair,

Sorry that my comments may have been offensive to you. I am totally aware that Parelli and NH have helped lots of people and horses. I'm sure that this experience changed not only the horses life, but your friends. I don't doubt that the training methods do work for people and their horses. They just don't work for me.

In the past few days, this board has EXPLODED with NH controversy. It is mostly due to one person pushing buttons on us 'unnatural' types. I believe that a blending of all aspects of training works best. Just the way that your gramma made soup! Think of it this way...I don't ride english, I prefer western. Not because I hate english or think it is dumb...but its what I was taught and what I prefer. Preferences and Opinions are what keep this board interesting and alive.

I have only been posting on this forum for a little less than 5 months. I like it here. There are some 'spats' that im sure we could all do without. At the base of this, you have hundreds, maybe thousands of horsepeople who all have one great big thing in common. They Love Horses. The other underlying theme with horsepeople (on this forum and in real life) is that we are opinionated buggers! Not close-minded...just opinionated.

I have to say, Parelli might be more popular if the marketing wasn't so heavy. We all have heard the 'if its too good to be true' cliche...but its true. Its hard to take someone seriously when everytime you open a horse magazine or log onto horseforum you are greeted with at "Got a problem horse? Parelli can FIX it!" No DVD or training method or $60 stick is going to solve a problem that is a real problem. One on one training is best.

So to sum up...I am sorry that this has been a bad introduction to the forum for you. We really are a peaceful, helpful group. These past couple days have been interesting!
     
    09-09-2010, 07:29 PM
  #18
Weanling
Corinowalk- I was not in any way offended by what you or anyone else said to me here! I was prepared for much worse. In the real world, people turn their noses up at me because I ride bridleless. They tell me bareback is TERRIBLE for a horse back.
I am actually very pleased with everyone's reaction, it confirms my belief that the Parelli controversy does not extend to it's basic philosophy of listening to your horse when you train.

I would never try and tell someone that they needed to ride the way I do. I wouldn't tell you you need to ride english either! I am glad you are a level headed rider who can converse on this forum about a variety of things without sounding condescending or rude.

Believe me I am all for various preferences and opinions! I wished only to convince that Parelli isn't purely superficial scams.. I want people to have a chance to read something positive about it, about any NH, that doesn't mean I want everyone to love it and practice it!

My stables bareback bridleless team got into our state drill competition this year! We are so happy to promote a non-brand form of NH. But many events in my area would not allow me to compete the way I ride even if I was ready now. I want this to change, and maybe it starts here, on a forum.

I like it here too! I have had so much help with health consults and grooming advice! And I LOOOOOVE the picture forum. What I love about horse people and I actually said this in my original post is that they KNOW they are right. It's very cool and has given me, a somewhat timid girl, sooo much confidence. My horse owning adult friends with their strong opinions have had a profound affect on me.

But I am appealing to not closemindedness here, and I agree they arent closeminded!

I also agree with the marketing comment, and I wish they wouldn't do that to themselves.

It hasn't been a bad intro at all Corinowalk, and I appreciate your heartfelt response. If ONE person reads my post and thinks "well.. Parelli has the potential to REALLY help someone" then I have accomplished something here.

Again, thank you! And consider me completely not offended, by you, or anyone who replied to me.
     
    09-09-2010, 07:34 PM
  #19
Banned
That would be really interesting to see a video of you doing your bridless routines. I have always been intrigued by bridless. I went for my very first bareback ride in 10 years today and had a blast! Granted, I cheated...hes gaited...lol....but it was still so much fun and a great learning experience for the both of us! We thought he was naturally a 'choppy' gaited horse...turns out he's actually veerrrry smooth. I think the saddlefit is off somewhere.

Oh and embrace the confidence that being a horse owner gives you. Know that when things are in the dumps, horses will always be there. Even if you have to walk away for a while, there are horses everywhere...and they all need lovins!! LOL
     
    09-09-2010, 07:42 PM
  #20
Weanling
I must say I'm not on the team yet.. but I saw my gals on a live feed in THE RIDE OF CHAMPIONS! They were bareback, bridleless, and anywhere from 12 to 50 years old. You couldn't even tell the difference as they cantered around in perfect line with everyone else!
It was truly truly amazing.

The judges actually tested them before they could ride with the group to make sure they were "safe" since they're bareback doing hairpin turns and some of them are so young! They impressed the judges!

I will definitely post a video of the routine when I get my hands on one.

And I love gaiteds! They are like magic carpets!

I gotta say this forum is my nicotine gum.. I've been on so much because its been wet here... the road to my barn is flooded and closed :( darn tropical storm hermione..
     

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