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post #21 of 28 Old 09-09-2010, 08:09 PM
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I really respect you Clair! And very good post!

I don't like PP but I don't not like PP.. Ya know? I just think the 67$ stick and the videos of both of them are ridiculas! (sp?)

But it is a good change for someone to say something positive but not like "You should all do PP if not your evil" kinda thing..

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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post #22 of 28 Old 09-09-2010, 09:29 PM
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I don't think that Parelli is aimed at experienced veterans like Solon and anyone else who posted. I think it is meant to solve problems one might have with a specific horse or even a person who better took to the style. It is aimed at people like Sarah, and it can do GOOD things. That is my point here. As to the DVD thing, I completely agree with nrhareiner. Whenever people ask my what trainer series they should pick for natural I say "DO NOT do that until you have found a trainer to your liking!" Also, don't try to skydive or play waterpolo without adequate instruction, its common sense that many more should exhibit.[/SIZE][/FONT]

It isn't aimed at experienced people. It's aimed at people who think they can watch a DVD and get the same results as Parelli does. That's what makes it wrong and in some cases dangerous.

People watch the videos and think they can trot right out and make the same thing happen with theirs horses. Some horses they can. Some they can't, that's were the accidents happen.

Like someone mentioned above, had sara not gotten a trainer, the story might not have had such a happy ending.

People get too wrapped in the games and having to complete them before they can move on. That's wrong.

What happened to just going out and working with your horse? Parelli has made natural horsemanship into a dirty word and it's really sad.

Unless it weighs a ton... it's just a horse. Draft horse motto.
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post #23 of 28 Old 09-09-2010, 10:09 PM
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the NH vogue

I love listening to you all. I tend to agree that PP is not my thing. However, to be honest, I am making a judegment based on very little personal experience. Shame on me!

However, I have to give him and Monty Roberts credit for bringing to the forefront this age old philosophy of horsemanship. It is NOT new. But before those guys brought it to the mass media and the public eye, only a very few people kept this tradition alive. And really, horses are treated a lot, lot better these day overall than they were 50 years ago. There is a general awareness of the potential of human/equine relationship, which was really never explored much in the last 50 years by the vast majority of riders. Now, we have greater concern for the horse's safety, comfort and our sensible control of him, utilizing HIS language over coercive gadgets. This is one of the best things to come out of this vogue.

ANd, frequently because it IS so very prominent, it is the gateway through which many horse owners enter an expanding world of horse/human relationship. Many folks start by following the systemized route offered by Parelli. Later, when the see WHY the games are what they are, they discard what they don't need and seek out greater learning based on observation and dialogue with their horse, rather than on a set program of games, 1, 2, 3 . . .
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Tinyliny, Good post
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Solon- I do not believe that the Parelli Program is focused solely on DVD's for training. They are available yes! And they are available for any method of training.

Parelli puts just as much emphasis on their trainers! Of course they do, PP training is probably expensive.

Secondly, the DVD's can be really cool for non-natural riders that want to try and implement certain excerises or methods into their own training! I know a lot of people who barrel or even do dressage that would use the DVDs for games or simply a different perspective.

I don't think its fair to say to PP advocates JUST training horses with their DVDs and books.

Anything can be used wrongly, Solon, DVD's included. I don't anyone who is a PP troll. They may buy the DVDs, pick out what they like, and do it in their own order.

As to the steps, a trainer will adjust them according with the horse and rider, I believe. I think it's sort of like a really specific guideline, so it can cater to a range of people and horses.

I mean, Parelli appeals to me, as far as marketing. I have considered buying the celebration DVD just because I love watching riding. But I'm not going to fire my coach and tell her- "I can handle it on my own, I'm totally digital now!"

I think people's common sense can balance out whatever marketing ideas people throw out...

If people really beleive they can train and ride a horse with a DVD.. They will QUICKLY find out this is not the case. And it sounds like then, they will go to people like Solon to help them REALLY learn to train and ride!

Hands on experience is definitely the best!
(i gotta confess I own the Gawani Pony Series) I still can't Indian mount though.. I still watch it sometimes.

I think the DVDs are more of a supplement.

Tinylily- this is just the kind of attitude I'd like to promote
Thank you for sharing :)
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post #26 of 28 Old 09-10-2010, 02:19 PM
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I think this story is great. I don't agree with PP, I do however like a lot of aspects of NH. In my opinion I think PP has just over promoted his "craft" and promises people things that most can not have with out proper training and guidance. I think that he uses a few basics and the rest are, as someone else stated just fancy tricks.
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post #27 of 28 Old 09-10-2010, 09:37 PM
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I think you'll find that a lot more people rely on them than you think. I see it all the time around here. PP is mostly about products. Carrots sticks and other stuff (there's a quite funny carrot stick discussion going on in another thread brought up by Kitten_Val!).

The point is and remains - Parelli is a marketer. Has he helped some people a long the way, absolutely! But until people really truly understand that they do not have to follow him 100% to be successful, there's going to be a lot of failures out there.

Once they realize they can pick and take what works they can get past this. But so many people don't and they get stuck with a half trained horse that they can't do anything with because they can't get past game 3.

Unless it weighs a ton... it's just a horse. Draft horse motto.
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post #28 of 28 Old 09-11-2010, 04:24 PM
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In all honest if I had the chance I would watch all of Parelli's DVD's and CA's and who ever else I could get my hands on FOR FREEEEE (but that's impossible ;]). There is no such thing as too much information. Sure the marketing is annoying. But all in all it matters what works best for you. As long as the person watching and/or reading isnt taking the advice too seriously (meaning they MUST do this and it WILL do this) or buy everything they tell you too I don't see the harm.
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