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post #11 of 49 Old 10-01-2013, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Godgirl View Post
So i am currently going through the Parelli Program with my horses and i absolutely LOVE it! I went to a clinic with Sarah Berg and it was really awesome! I am going to Maryland this October for a Parelli tour stop and I am super excited!
If anybody would like more info about Parelli just ask. I strongly encourage it!
I LOVE it, too !!! Have you been to a tour stop before ? they are fantastic, I guarantee you'll be in horse heaven...
I'd very much enjoy hearing any tidbits you'd like to share from the Berg clinic. I'm not familar with her yet. However, if you feel this is no longer a receptive place to share,,,I can look for a post from you on Parelli connect. Are you on Connect ?
I'm in Middle Tn, and we are having a 'Rendezvous' next weekend, the 11th,,,it's going to be so much fun. We're expecting between 10 and 20 (??) students, and we'll have the 'Official Parelli Tournaments' on Friday, then lessons and workshops with Parelli Instructors on Saturday. It's our 3rd annual Rendezvous,,,they are so enjoyable. Wish you could come,...LOL. Are you anywhere near Tn ... ?

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Sarah was really awesome! She was very nice and patient and she really had a way with horses. I have never been to a tour stop before so I am really excited to go. and it is the day after my birthday so.. YAY!!!!!!!

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But as for the clinic all I have to say is AMAZING! It was really fun and even though i did not bring my horse i still learned a ton!

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post #14 of 49 Old 10-01-2013, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Godgirl View Post
...If anybody would like more info about Parelli just ask. I strongly encourage it!
Godgirl, I asked & you've posted since, with no answers for me.

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I'm not the OP, but here's my .02$ worth. I'll address your questions with questions of my own:
1) Do you do everything exactly as you formerly did it,,even things that you may have shared with others (taught). If you find an even better way, do you cling to what you used to do just for the sake of not changing because that's the way you used to teach it? I'll bet not. I'll bet an intelligent person such as yourself, and I mean this sincerely, is perfectly willing to change for the better. Why fault LP for doing likewise ? esp. when 'never ending self improvement' is one of PNH's themes....My question was not about the issue of clinging or not to what one used to do: my question was about two different/contradictory directives, thus confusion as to whether it's expected that one toss the first one or what.

2) see,,,,I guess she, like most of us , realizes as she gets older (by 20 years as you say) that we are more likely to 'break instead of bounce' if we take a tumble. We, thererfore tend to take safety measures that we didnt deem necessary in our fearless youth. I can't speak for her, but that'd be my guess of why the change. Of what value to me is your guess, or anyone else's?

I havent studied her game of contact, so I'm really stretching to try to address this topic,I can only go by what I've read and heard from other Parelli students and ,I think, instructors. Again, why are you offering me guesses, especially when you're unfamiliar with Linda's GOC? As I understand it, she doesnt so much claim to have had an epiphany on how to get a horse to happily take up contact as that she has come up with a way to explain it and teach it that makes it easier for a lot of students to understand and be successful with. Those are two different claims, & yours I'd have no issue with. Yet, the epiphany is all that I've read about. I believe that Walter Zettyl , who apparently is well known and well respected has praised her work on this, and does think her method of teaching is to be applauded. His motivations for associating with the Parellis, his modus operandi in class with them, his public statements about their programs have been speculated upon by serious dressage students who've known & taken class for many years from him, who were astounded at his decision to associate with them (another forum). There IS room for speculation there, imo, so I take what he says concerning the Parellis with a grain of salt. She certainly is getting accross the concept of true collection rather than see-sawing on the reins and getting only a headset, which sadly passes for collection sometimes. I think you can appreciate that. I can, yet I saw a video clip of her doing the most blatant see-saw, or rather, hauling a horse into a crooked back-up first with one rein, then with the other, then allowing the horse to walk around with his nose to the ground: the clip was from the GOC, which I haven't seen, & the sound was muted, so her explanation unheard. I don't want to spend for dvd to find out, but OP, if you know the reasoning behind that segment, please do let us know!
Neither of the Parelli's have ever claimed that giving the horse release when he finds the right answer is original to them. Pat himself refers , at every tour stop that I've ever been to, to his mentors, and gives them all the credit for the many,many,many things he learned from them. I've even seen him discuss great horsemen in history, including Xenophon , on the savvyclub forum and he mentions them all in depth in both of his books. You'll notice that I never mentioned Pat in my 3 questions: this was deliberate, because I know that Pat acknowledges his mentors, & doesn't claim to have had epiphanies. (I credit Pat with being an innovator, however: the 7 Games, the carrot stick, perhaps the Pushing Passenger, & Linda, too, organized the Horsenalities data.)

Hope this is helpful.

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post #15 of 49 Old 10-02-2013, 05:53 AM
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My farrier dose parelli and when she comes to trim my horse she teaches me it, I think that the stuff I have been taught is very similar to horse body language, and the body language used is very similar to the natural horsemanship body language I use with my horse.

I practised the parellii stuff and the body language I taught myself from reading dancing with horses and I experienced the most magnificent, breathtaking moment of playing with my horse at liberty, lunging her at liberty so getting her to walk trot canter and stop on her haunches using body language with my horse attentively listening to me and working together as a team in a big paddock full of green tasty grass.

I believe in that if you don't have a negative attitude to humane training methods than u have an open mind, and your horse has more of a luxury in that their owner or trainer will adapt methods to the horse in order to work as a team. As I have, if u keep a closed and negative mind than how will you develop as a person and learn in order to fully appreciate having a horse as a partner and working as a team being the dominant leader while having your horses happy.

Its not mature, to waste energy having such negative opinions on a humane method of training horses when u can keep an open mind and respect all humane methods and their differences.
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Well, my last coupla questions, which no PNH student on here answered, were:

1. Why does Level 1 say to ride like Charlie Chaplin, i.e., do NOT turn toes or knees forward, but let them relax outward as far as they naturally go, yet now Colleen Kelly is directing to turn them in, even going so far as to say that the more hardware one has as an anchor, the better (hardware being the inside of knee).

2. Why, after 20+ years of saying that she doesn't believe a helmet will keep her safe, is Linda suddenly riding helmeted?

I'll throw this in, too: Why does Linda claim to have had an epiphany on how to cause a horse to happily take up contact, when for centuries, horses have learned to do so, as long as their riders have tactfully showed them how? Giving the horse release when he finds the "right answer" isn't new. Did the Mongols, e.g., have a hole in their training?
I am not sure who Colleen Kelly is but I believe that when riding a horse you should be as relaxed as possible as long as the horse is doing what you ask it to do. When I was taught to ride (I ride western this does not apply to english) my teacher taught me to sit like a "Lazy Cowgirl". Meaning relaxed.
As for question 2 i believe that Linda can do whatever she feels like doing while riding. Maybe she realized that a helmet will keep her safe and so she started wearing one.
Sure, perelli has some downfalls but why not look at some of the positive aspects instead of all the negative ones?

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post #17 of 49 Old 10-02-2013, 11:47 AM
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I am not a Parelli fan and I do see plenty of faults and holes in what he and Linda teach but there are people out there that do seem to benefit from it at some point in there horse owning experience even if they then move on to something else so please can we all allow them to discuss how they feel his methods have helped them and leave the arguments and negativity out of it because that isn't what the OP started this thread for.
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A coach with good teaching skills is a great coach. We have many skilled riders but it's not to say they are good coaches.
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post #19 of 49 Old 10-04-2013, 04:39 AM
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A coach with good teaching skills is a great coach. We have many skilled riders but it's not to say they are good coaches.
I'd think a great coach would also be able to teach the horse just as well as the owner :)

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post #20 of 49 Old 10-04-2013, 08:18 PM
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QUESTIONS aren't "negativity". With the Creator as my witness, I wasn't bashing PNH. Who here suggests following some aspect of the PNH program more than I do, for heaven's sake?

I'll add that the accusation that my questions were "negativity" has been a major problem with others witnessing/experiencing the same accusation from other PNH students/staff. For a new PNH student such as Godgirl (who doesn't know half of what I know about the program; doesn't know of Colleen Kelly?) to accuse me, with the agreement from others not in PNH is a very bad sign. This attitude toward QUESTIONS needs to be eliminated from PNH students' minds.
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