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    03-10-2012, 01:32 PM
  #91
Weanling
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
He is just a missunderstood horse. Lets put him in the round pen and get him back to being happy. LOL
Oh, I dunno. . .that could be every horse's "dream job!"

You only have to "work" for 8 seconds, once a week. . .
     
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    03-10-2012, 01:43 PM
  #92
Trained
Oh I agree. I think the horse is loving his job but PP would say he is just a missunderstood horse. He needs to be round pened some more and he will stop that.

This is just one more example of a horse who is bred to do a job.
     
    03-10-2012, 02:20 PM
  #93
Foal
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
You are right about one thing. I don't know you. All I have to go on is what you are writing, and that is what I am getting from what YOU are saying. Period. A bit too "fluffy" for my taste, simply put.

No, we will never agree on that, and too bad you will "never try cutting or reining"-you may miss out on some fun, and so may your horse. Mine LOVES it!

Horses do deserve good treatment, but the same as a human? Not really. I don't treat mine the same as my kids, altho sometimes I think they were brought up in a barn.
I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion. Just hearing both sides. Before I got horses I went to lots of different barns and tried to see everything objectively and I came out of it (After lots of thinking about it) with the beliefs that I have of why horses are on the planet and how they should be treated. I have no doubt you did the same which is why, no I think we are both right haha we just won't agree on this, any of us. The important thing at the end of the day is that no horses are head shy and destroyed or in pain and that isn't going to happen with anybody on this forum.
     
    03-10-2012, 02:26 PM
  #94
Foal
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
Got to ask....what do YOU think horses are here for then? All horses have a "job" of some sort and a "job" is related to work. I think you are hung up on a simple word....work. FCS, in wild herds....every horse has a "job".
I think that horses were never meant to be brought in and domesticated by humans, but now we do the best we can to make their life as natural as possible. Since I believe that horses should be treated no lesser than an other being..I think that involves a two way agreement, if you will, they have people or a person who makes them feel safe and loved and cared for along with (usually) staying with other horses when they aren't with their "human". Honestly it depends on what you consider their "jobs" to be to me. If you consider a job to be going on a trail ride or round penning to see how the horse feels etc. Then yeah haha my horses have jobs pretty much everyday, but I just feel like that is not what was meant at all which is why it frustrates me.

I think horses are incredible and can feel what mood a person is in and can gain some of that. Like you know when you are loping or cantering (whichever you do) and you go to slow down, but your horse is still so excited because you are just like wow that 5 second lope was awesome on this horrible day (or something). That would obviously be human error, but still the horse would have fed off that energy "Oh she is still lets go! So I want to go!"
     
    03-10-2012, 02:28 PM
  #95
Foal
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
I do not think anyone here is saying horses are machines. Well maybe PP as his system is a one size fits all type aproch. If that is not treating something like a machine I am not sure what is.

Also if you keep wanting to put human terms to horses then here is what horses are to human. They are not slaves but Bond Slaves. If you do not know the difference look it up. As I do not have the time to explane it right now.

Horses need a job. It is plane and simple. We have taken them in demesticated them bred them to do a specific task. Now we need to give them that task to do. Be it pull a plow or rounding up cattle. These hroses are bred to do those jobs and they love to do it. Just like my Corgi. She is bred to herd things. Since I have nothing for her to herd she herds my Golden. She live to chase and move her around. Most of the time is it the golden retrieving a ball and the corgi chasing the golden retrieving the ball. They are each doing exacly what they where bred to do and love doing it and if you do not do it with them they get ticked and will try for all their worth to get you to play with them. My Golden loves her job. Of which she has meny. Take those away and she is not happy.

Same with my horses. Te goes bonkers every time a trainer comes on the property or I hook mine up. He use to HATE trailers and I mean HATE. Once he realized that the trailer took him to shows now he can not wait to get in one and go. Why do you think that is? Shows mean work and a lot of it.
Are you honestly saying here that if a horse willingly gets in a trailer its because it knows where its going and wants to get to work? I just need to clarify this.
     
    03-10-2012, 03:10 PM
  #96
Yearling


He looks Left brained extravert. or is it right brained introvert ?Whatever the heck that means. I tried watching on of his videos and he started spewing that kind of crap and I was done. I'm not a big fan of PP for the same reasons others have mentioned. I try to watch alot of different stuff to get more tools in my tool box. Some I may adopt, some I may never use and some I see as total crap and completely forgoet I ever saw it.

As for why horses are here on this earth( to work or not to work) I don't think anyone can truely answer. That is like asking the age old question , Why am I here? Only god knows the true answer. That being said since the evolution or creation of the horse they have been domesticated and trained to do a funtion of helping us. A beast of burden if you will. If that is what you have been bred and trained to do for generations that is what makes one happy. If you don't believe that get on a 3 yr old horse with cow horse blood lines that has never laid an eye on a cow. Ride him into the pasture and hold on and see what happens. He will start pushing that cow almost everytime and never having done it. I had mine do it with me on his 2nd ride out of the arena. I was totally impressed how well he did. Now they were my neighbors cow so we didn't do it long. It may have turned into a wreck in 30 more seconds.
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    03-10-2012, 05:03 PM
  #97
Trained
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Originally Posted by EmilyRosie    
Are you honestly saying here that if a horse willingly gets in a trailer its because it knows where its going and wants to get to work? I just need to clarify this.

That is exactly what I am saying. Te hated trailers big time. He had been abused when he was a youngster and you could not get him in a trainer to save your or his life. When I moved I had no choice he had to get in one so I worked with him and did get him in. When I got up here I started to do differnt things like Roping and other shows then got into reining. Te loves reining and ropeing and cow work. Hauled him to a few shows and after that I had and have no problems getting him into the trainer here at the house to go anywhere. However leaving the show grounds? That was a different story. He wanted to stay and keep doing what he loves.
     
    03-10-2012, 05:27 PM
  #98
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by EmilyRosie    
I think that horses were never meant to be brought in and domesticated by humans, but now we do the best we can to make their life as natural as possible. Since I believe that horses should be treated no lesser than an other being..I think that involves a two way agreement, if you will, they have people or a person who makes them feel safe and loved and cared for along with (usually) staying with other horses when they aren't with their "human". Honestly it depends on what you consider their "jobs" to be to me. If you consider a job to be going on a trail ride or round penning to see how the horse feels etc. Then yeah haha my horses have jobs pretty much everyday, but I just feel like that is not what was meant at all which is why it frustrates me.

I think horses are incredible and can feel what mood a person is in and can gain some of that. Like you know when you are loping or cantering (whichever you do) and you go to slow down, but your horse is still so excited because you are just like wow that 5 second lope was awesome on this horrible day (or something). That would obviously be human error, but still the horse would have fed off that energy "Oh she is still lets go! So I want to go!"
How do you think the US was settled? How do you think cattle got to market 150 years ago? Farms plowed and planted? How do you think people got to town back then?
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    03-10-2012, 05:34 PM
  #99
Foal
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
I have to add this because I thought it was funny....

There is an article in Western Horseman about the "Horseman's Reunion" at the Madonna Inn in April, a bunch of big names the Neubert boys, Frank Dominguez, Martin Black and such are attending.
My husband was reading that and came to Pat Parelli's name and says-
" Hell, if I was Pat Parelli, I think I would call in sick with a case of the not-good-enoughs."

I thought it was pretty **** funny...
Y'all hoist one in Mr. Cowchick's honor tonight, wouldja?

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Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
Now I know there are Parrellli fans out there. From my experience with some that I've met (but not all) I'm amazed that there aren't some on here shouting praises and telling people to sign up :))
They never come here. They're all on Parelli Connect telling each other how great Pat and Linda are.
     
    03-10-2012, 05:50 PM
  #100
Weanling
I thought of EmilyRosia today and I wanted to share my experience with her so hopefully she takes time to read this. This afternoon I started lunging the mare called Star that is here. Well my mare seeing I was working this mare and not her comes over and starts lunging herself WITH star. She was just walking, trotting, and loping right alongside and behind her...it was fun for her or she must have got some enjoyment out of it...because there was nothing MAKING her do it. In fact, if it's possible, I think she was jealous I was working with the other horse.

We do NOT invest all of the time, $$$$, and effort into our animals to hurt them by overworking them or working them incorrectly. I just think you have this picture in your head of us beating, whipping, and kicking the crap out of our horses and running them into the dirt day in and day out. I know most people have a pretty strict conditioning process...at least I do. I know what my horse is physically capable of...Im not going to hurt her by getting her out and excercised...LACK of work will get a horse hurt quicker than keeping them conditioned.
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