Gypsy-there are many other ways to get respect. I do find many of the games sort of like begging. Shoot, when I was at a PP barn last winter, the trainer kept treats in his shirt pocket.....I can get my horse to do ANYTHING if I promise him a treat! That is only bribery, and that is pretty **** easy. Then I told him not too, since my horse was getting mouthy. He didn't know what to do! Honestly. And he was a 2* PP instructor!