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    03-10-2012, 07:21 PM
  #111
Weanling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Gypsy-there are many other ways to get respect. I do find many of the games sort of like begging. Shoot, when I was at a PP barn last winter, the trainer kept treats in his shirt pocket.....I can get my horse to do ANYTHING if I promise him a treat! That is only bribery, and that is pretty **** easy. Then I told him not too, since my horse was getting mouthy. He didn't know what to do! Honestly. And he was a 2* PP instructor!
Yeah I watched this guy BEG the horse to do what he wanted. I do not beg a horse to listen to me. That system goes basicly against everything I personally believe about horses. As I said earlier he gets you to spend time with your horse...but that's bout it.
     
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    03-10-2012, 07:24 PM
  #112
Trained
I have done join-up. I have also done the 7 games with my horse. Just because a lot of parelli followers are idiots, doesnt mean the games don't have a good foundation. They are very similar to a lot of things that CA does [if you have watched him] to get respect and control on the ground.

Frank- its only begging if you beg !
     
    03-10-2012, 07:26 PM
  #113
Trained
I spend enough time with my horses I do not need to piss them off to spend even more time with them. That is about what would happen if I played these games with any of them.

Heck just spend a bit of time brushing the horse. You will get the same end results.
     
    03-10-2012, 07:27 PM
  #114
Trained
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
i have done join-up. I have also done the 7 games with my horse. Just because a lot of parelli followers are idiots, doesnt mean the games don't have a good foundation. They are very similar to a lot of things that CA does [if you have watched him] to get respect and control on the ground.

Frank- its only begging if you beg !
Oh believe me, I don't!

Especially the way he acted today.
     
    03-10-2012, 07:27 PM
  #115
Trained
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
i have done join-up. I have also done the 7 games with my horse. Just because a lot of parelli followers are idiots, doesnt mean the games don't have a good foundation. They are very similar to a lot of things that CA does [if you have watched him] to get respect and control on the ground.

Frank- its only begging if you beg !

Why is you think you need to spend so much time on the ground with the horse? Past the first bit with a green horse once you get in the saddle ground work in not even needed or something that I do. Spend enough time with ground work to give the horse a good foundation then move on.
     
    03-10-2012, 07:28 PM
  #116
Weanling
From what I witnessed the other day looked to me like the horse was "tolerating" the guy. I don't wont a horse to "tolerate" me. I want it to worship the ground I walk on as it's Supreme Leader :) When the guy tried to lead the mare around the normal way she took a couple steps and stopped when he pushed her to move a little bit she shot up in a semi rear and whipped passed him and swung around acting like a total brat...head swinging all around. Naaaaaa. I may add he has a few other horses he practices this stuff with and one bout broke his back 5 years ago cause it acts like an idiot too.
     
    03-10-2012, 07:35 PM
  #117
Trained
Nrha - who said I did ?

Herdbound - clearly that guy is an idiot !
     
    03-10-2012, 07:36 PM
  #118
Weanling
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Why is you think you need to spend so much time on the ground with the horse? Past the first bit with a green horse once you get in the saddle ground work in not even needed or something that I do. Spend enough time with ground work to give the horse a good foundation then move on.
I believe that whole heartedly. How I break a horse is as follows. Get join up FIRST...then free lunge...then comes lunge line and ground manners like leading, loading, & tying...then up I go...once I am on a horse and get it to walk, trot, and lope and it learns to go left, right & whoa...it goes out on trails and it is finished out on trails. At first with other horses but as soon as I feel it has the basics down it goes off alone. After it is working like that...I do lunge to warm up or exercise on days I don't have time to ride. You can throw in what ever bells and whistles you want as you are doing the breaking like neck reining but once I am on...most of the time that's where the horse is learning from...the saddle.
     
    03-10-2012, 07:44 PM
  #119
Trained
The whole "join up" thing-I really don't get it. Why can't I be getting to know my horse when I am grooming, tacking, etc. Why do I have to do some formal activity called "join up"? Eww.. Guess it is the name of it or something... makes my skin crawl, and to me just has a bad connotation. Plus, after trying to "bond" with one of my horses in a round pen loose, without a lead-I will NEVER , EVER do that again. For no reason, he started running. Faster and faster...and there is no more helpless feeling in the world. I literally just stood there. He ran and ran and eventually jumped out, getting tangled in the gate. Thankfully, he was fine. But you can bet I never do that any more. THey are on a long line so I have some control. It was all because they had started feeding in the barn.
     
    03-10-2012, 08:09 PM
  #120
Trained
I agree the join up is crap. I get that just dealing with the horse as normal. Feeding grooming and such. I breed for most of my prospects so they know how to lead by the time they are a few weeks old and by the time they are weaned they tie pick up their feed are groomed bathed feed done take dewormers and if it is a colt they learn to get their sheath cleaned. SO basically everything you would expect to be able to do on the ground for that age.

When they hit 2 they learn to be saddled which is not hard as they have at some point had winter blankets on and such. Then they have some ground work done once they seem comfortable with the saddle bit and such. Then in the saddle we go. At this point is when a lot of the basics are put on the horse. They do not leave the walk trot for the first few months and if they do they are allowed to lope for few strides then back to the walk and trot. They learn to give every inch of their body at the walk and then at the trot. They learn to rate and follow their nose and so on. So by the time you start loping them they have a very very good basics and the lope is easy. Once they are started in the saddle there is no lunging done. I have horses who have not been lunged since they where 2yo.
     

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