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    03-10-2012, 08:43 PM
  #121
Weanling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Plus, after trying to "bond" with one of my horses in a round pen loose, without a lead-I will NEVER , EVER do that again. For no reason, he started running. Faster and faster...and there is no more helpless feeling in the world. I literally just stood there. He ran and ran and eventually jumped out, getting tangled in the gate.
Did he look like this :) This mare was extremely nasty she broke a ladies arm cause she ran her over in the barn. She had NO respect for human beings what so ever. This mare is 6 years old, unbroke, ill mannered, and just a lil witch. Took me about an hour of doing join up...which may not be for everyone...if you notice this round pen is EXTREMELY flimsy...but you learn how to move them and control them even if you don't have a lunge line on the horse to keep it from doing something harmful to itself. This is not my round pen and I would suggest having one with higher sides if you do join up...but I used this one on several horses and never had one jump out on me. Anyways this gal charged me a few times, kept up the work, eventually she decided to join up and the same day I was on her...then she was done. Once someone knocked her off her high horse so to speak, which join up does, there was a new understanding a human CAN move me a lot more than I once thought. I have such great join up with my own mare I don't need a halter/lead rope to lead her around. I can make her run and jump obstacles with me and ect...just cause I have that "mental lead" on her. It may not be for everyone...but I love it...and it does produce respect.
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    03-10-2012, 08:50 PM
  #122
Trained
No, actually, mine was a broke horse, no tack on it. Round pen was a regular pipe panel round pen. Not flimsy at all. How would you suggest "making a horse move" when they are galloping full out around and around? Step in front of them? Not likely. I was putting no pressure on the horse, stood relaxed (as relaxed as I could-dropped the whip). Once he jumped out, he literally put his head down and grazed. I waled over, put a lead on him, and began hosing how abraded legs. Eventually I stopped shaking.
Agree. Join up is not for everyone, and it is certainly not for me. That does not mean my horses respect me any less.
     
    03-10-2012, 09:00 PM
  #123
Weanling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
No, actually, mine was a broke horse, no tack on it. Round pen was a regular pipe panel round pen. Not flimsy at all. How would you suggest "making a horse move" when they are galloping full out around and around? Step in front of them? Not likely. I was putting no pressure on the horse, stood relaxed (as relaxed as I could-dropped the whip). Once he jumped out, he literally put his head down and grazed. I waled over, put a lead on him, and began hosing how abraded legs. Eventually I stopped shaking.
Agree. Join up is not for everyone, and it is certainly not for me. That does not mean my horses respect me any less.
Oh FrankNBeans I am not saying that they respect you any less...at all. You can get it different ways this is just my preferred way :) And honestly if you don't feel comfortable with it then you shouldn't do it. It is something you need to feel very comfortable with because you are going to push certain buttons in the horse that can trigger some pretty nasty situations. They can charge you, they can come flying backwards at you with both guns blazing, ect...as far as how to stop one who is running madly in circles you aren't going to be able to stop the energy BUT you can learn how to move it, turn it, and tone it down by keeping the horses mind on you...keeping it busy.
     
    03-10-2012, 09:07 PM
  #124
Green Broke
I hate the term "join up"... basically what it should be is "pay attention, I am your leader". I do this with colts when I start them, if you do it right, you can get a lot done in a short amount of time. Believe it or not I learned it from a top notch reined cow horse trainer and not a super secret club video of a clinician. You don't have to do it constantly, I do it the first couple of times when starting a colt and go about my merry way....not much on the ground work bullsh*t for weeks before I step on...the ground manners come along with the rest. If you establish leadership from the very beginning, the rest is pretty simple. You don't have to beg and bribe your way through it...lol....
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    03-10-2012, 09:15 PM
  #125
Yearling
Hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here, but I hardly think FnB chooses not to do join up because she is 'uncomfortable' with it, but because it has little value to her as a training or bonding technique. -
Herdbound, it may have been unintentional, but your last post sounded so much that you were talking to a newbie, which Franknbeans is def Not, that even I took offense.-
As for you, Franknbeans, shame on you for changing your avatar without advance notice to me.. threw me off there for a bit! :)
     
    03-10-2012, 09:29 PM
  #126
Weanling
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Hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here, but I hardly think FnB chooses not to do join up because she is 'uncomfortable' with it, but because it has little value to her as a training or bonding technique. -
Herdbound, it may have been unintentional, but your last post sounded so much that you were talking to a newbie, which Franknbeans is def Not, that even I took offense.-
As for you, Franknbeans, shame on you for changing your avatar without advance notice to me.. threw me off there for a bit! :)
I don't know what I said to be offensive but it was NOT my intention. FranknBeans asked what you do when the horse is running wildly around and I answered. Sorry if that offended anyone...
     
    03-10-2012, 09:57 PM
  #127
Trained
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Originally Posted by Skipsfirstspike    
Hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here, but I hardly think FnB chooses not to do join up because she is 'uncomfortable' with it, but because it has little value to her as a training or bonding technique. -
Herdbound, it may have been unintentional, but your last post sounded so much that you were talking to a newbie, which Franknbeans is def Not, that even I took offense.-
As for you, Franknbeans, shame on you for changing your avatar without advance notice to me.. threw me off there for a bit! :)
Haha-I decided I was ready to go forward, not reverse any more. Lol

I actually will occasionally use an exercise with a horse in an indoor, which is, of course safer, at least in my case. If they are not paying attention, I let them loose and MAKE them run. Now, in an indoor, that is much more work for me than them......but, they have to run until I say stop. And when they stop, they had better have their eyes on me. If they stop any other way-they get to run again. Once they are paying attention, I put the line back on, and we continue.

Like NRHA said tho, once they are trained, I rarely use that. In fact, I have not down it with my guy in over a year now. I used it mostly when I was helping a trainer last year. If I am away a long time, etc, I may do it just to see where we are.......

I do free school my old guy in the round pen just to exercise him, but other than that-not so much.
     
    03-10-2012, 10:08 PM
  #128
Trained
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Originally Posted by herdbound    
I have such great join up with my own mare I don't need a halter/lead rope to lead her around.
To me this is nothing. I can and do this with a stallion. I can lead him without a lead at all he will stop back turn both directions depending on what I am doing. I lead him in and out of the barn past mares with just a lead rope around his neck. This is nothing more then good training. It is not some magical bond or anything more then training.
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    03-10-2012, 10:40 PM
  #129
Green Broke
^^ I can do that with any horse. (just need a bunch of treats in a pocket!) Bwahahaha
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    03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
  #130
Trained
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^^ I can do that with any horse. (just need a bunch of treats in a pocket!) Bwahahaha
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No treats needed. Although I am sure Te would not mind a treat now and then he did not have to work for. Only time my horses get treats are when they can get them out of the milk jug hanging in their stall.
     

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