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    03-08-2012, 03:42 PM
  #21
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
I have had mares here who where PP trained and they where the hardest horses to work with. I will not take in anouther PP trained horse again. They will either have to be bred Shipped semen or not at all. They are pushy and ill tempered animals and I do now wish to work with that type of horse. There are to many good ones out there. The thing is it is not the horses falt.
^^^ My first experience with a PP trained horse was very similar to this.

I just started working for a reining horse trainer(I think this was in the late 90's??) There was a working student there as well. She was big into PP. We were both given colts to start. I spent as little time in the roundpen as possible. Even then I was a big fan of get an improvement and leave them alone, turn them back out. This gal would be in the roundpen Parrelli-ing the crap out her colts for long sessions. When it came down to it, her colts were crabby, ill tempered and looking for a way to "push" themselves on you. They were so sick of their jobs. Granted this may have been a user error, but I have noticed this with other PP users....the sessions are long and the horse is cranky.
     
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    03-08-2012, 03:56 PM
  #22
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    

All the DVD tells you is HOW to do it - it has NO instructions on what to do if it doesn't work. I can't even tell you how many hours I spent glaring at my horses ass and ducking down like an idiot only to have her stare at me and yawn. A lot of the other exercises were met with pinned ears and a VERY angry horse. We got absolutely nowhere. Even my Parelli friend couldn't make her do what she was "supposed" to do. I went back to basic ground work and hollerin at her, and she shaped up mighty fast.
Ding, ding, ding!

Per PP - if the horse doesn't understand the HUMAN in the equation is doing it wrong. PP methods see one way and one way only. So those of you that say you've 'tweaked' the methods but still use them and say you are loyal to PP - no, you are not.

Not every horse will respond to one method of training. A good trainer adjusts to meet the learning ability of the horse.
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    03-08-2012, 04:08 PM
  #23
Weanling
The only thing I like about PP is the TIME he emphasizes you put into your horse. He has creative ways to get you to spend TIME with your horse. The more TIME you spend with your horse the better both of you will be ;) Doesnt matter what system you use...it's the TIME you invest in your horse that will have the pay off in the end.
     
    03-08-2012, 04:40 PM
  #24
Trained
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Originally Posted by herdbound    
The only thing I like about PP is the TIME he emphasizes you put into your horse. He has creative ways to get you to spend TIME with your horse. The more TIME you spend with your horse the better both of you will be ;) Doesnt matter what system you use...it's the TIME you invest in your horse that will have the pay off in the end.

This is so fare from the truth as you can get. Spending time with your horse is always a good think IF the horse likes it.

However does not matter how much time you spend it will not equal the horse learning and getting better.

Practice does NOT make perfect. Only Perfect Practice Makes Perfect.
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    03-08-2012, 04:57 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
This is so fare from the truth as you can get. Spending time with your horse is always a good think IF the horse likes it.

However does not matter how much time you spend it will not equal the horse learning and getting better.

Practice does NOT make perfect. Only Perfect Practice Makes Perfect.
Exactly.
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    03-08-2012, 05:02 PM
  #26
Weanling
I agree with dressagedreamer CLINT ANDERSON all the way!! No circus crap with him he teaches natural horsemanship but also teaches you they are still horses not pets. They can be unpredictable creatures and babying them or playing with them isnt smart approach. Never could understand the BIG BALL BOUNCY crap lol Pat Perelli made his money off a old man who taught him. Give me CLINT any day!
     
    03-08-2012, 05:11 PM
  #27
Ink
Weanling
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Originally Posted by TimberRidgeRanch    
Never could understand the BIG BALL BOUNCY crap lol Pat Perelli made his money off a old man who taught him. Give me CLINT any day!
One of the boarders at my barn has one of those things. We were both in the arena one day and she started bouncing that huge exercise ball off her horse. Dublin and I both thought it was the strangest thing
She started making those "something's going to get me" snorty noises and kept spinning around so she could get a good look at that monster ball. I suppose it's good to desensitize your horse to an extent, but other than that, what exactly is the point?
     
    03-08-2012, 06:17 PM
  #28
Trained
I will say-the balls are fun to play horsey soccer with.....mine loves to push it around, and I practice steering him bridle less while he does it. Then...to get him away from it.....sometimes is tougher than others.
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    03-08-2012, 07:16 PM
  #29
Weanling
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
This is so fare from the truth as you can get. Spending time with your horse is always a good think IF the horse likes it.

However does not matter how much time you spend it will not equal the horse learning and getting better.

Practice does NOT make perfect. Only Perfect Practice Makes Perfect.
Spending time with your horse doesnt mean you are always working them to death. Taking them on a walk-along. Taking them with you to check the mail even. I take mine out and just lay in the grass and draw while they enjoy some nibbles on the grass that is usually "forbidden" from behind the fence. In a normal day just doing that right there you have practiced haltering your horse, leading your horse, say you tie it up and brush it...you have worked on being tied and touched (gentling) Spending time is the key to having a social animal that looks at people as a part of their life NOT as something that pops in and expects them to always work. Parelli has his "games" to do the same...you are spending time with your horse in a way you both enjoy. And as far as your latter comment about only Perfect Practice Makes Perfect :) maybe in a perfect world you can start out being critiqued by a trainer but for the REAL world that doesn't normally happen. I was far from perfect when I started with horses. Am far from it now...but I do know I enjoy them and spending time with them helps them enjoy people more too. I will say it again...you only get out of your horse the TIME you invest in it. That is the only thing I like about PP.
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    03-08-2012, 07:36 PM
  #30
Started
Bill Dorrance's book, "True Horsemanship Through Feel" says that a person who's interested in becoming a horseman must have a LOT of time (and he adds that most people don't have the time that it takes).

So, it's true, unless one's a born natural.

This isn't to say that someone can't spend his entire life with horses yet still never savvy them much, nor gain the skills to get with them. That's been known to happen, too.
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