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        03-08-2012, 10:02 PM
      #41
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    If I tried to play all the stupid games with any of my horses they would want to kill me. They are bred to work and that is what they want and love to do.

    Playing games or just fidling is not in their make up. The bond I have with all my horses I would put up against any bond out there. We under stand each other they love to work and even more work for me.
    I understand this, but a horses purpose in life is not to work if that is what you are saying?
         
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        03-08-2012, 10:09 PM
      #42
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by EmilyRosie    
    I understand this, but a horses purpose in life is not to work if that is what you are saying?

    Sure it is. What do you think they have been doing for the past 2 thousend years? Working. Taking solders into badle. Pulling plows rounding up cattle on the range. That is what they where bred and trained to do. Since the advant of the auto that just about made horses obsolet we have found other uses for horses. Some are still used on big ramodas out west some are show horses. However they are still bred to work. Well at least mine are. They love it they want to do it. They are not happy just sitting around doing nothing.
         
        03-08-2012, 10:13 PM
      #43
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    Sure it is. What do you think they have been doing for the past 2 thousend years? Working. Taking solders into badle. Pulling plows rounding up cattle on the range. That is what they where bred and trained to do. Since the advant of the auto that just about made horses obsolet we have found other uses for horses. Some are still used on big ramodas out west some are show horses. However they are still bred to work. Well at least mine are. They love it they want to do it. They are not happy just sitting around doing nothing.
    Horses are not on the planet to be worked. Neither are humans. They deserve to be understood and cared for and loved. A horse can be born and not born to work, but still be happy. I don't believe for a second that my horses were "born to work" yet they are very happy. We go riding and live a relaxed life. They are happy horses. Yes certain horses need jobs....as long as it isn't all they are getting from life. Can you imagine if everything on the planet was just here to work? It'd be terrifying.
         
        03-08-2012, 10:16 PM
      #44
    Yearling
    My problem with all these "NH" people who are marketing a "system" is just that. They are trying to market a system. None of them actually invented training horses in a natural manner. They all have good things and bad.
    I wouldn't recommend any of them, but would suggest you look at them all and use anything that works well for you and your horse. I had the very good fortune to have a grandfather and other relatives who in some cases had started with horses by 1900. They were great and the right way was the way the worked with the least amount of work and stress.
    I was once told there are many ways to skin a cat and even more ways to train a horse.
    These people are out to make a $ first and foremost (look at what they charge). I'm always a bit amused at how fanatical some of their followers can be. Perhaps I should have gone into that line of work :)) but I'd rather help folks for free. Like the men who mentored me as a child training my first horse, the real joy is watching someone being successful at training the horse and seeing the horse bond to that person so ultimately it wants to learn and do things right. How can you put a price on that?

    Rather than spend the money on what these people offer, glean what's out there for ideas. Ask people about what they've learned and know. But first and foremost, use common sense. Learn you horse and know yourself. Some horses learn quickly and easily. Some more slowly with LOTs of "baby steps". Contrary to what PP and others will imply what works well with one hose might not work well with another. But with time, patience and work you'd be amazed at what you can accomplish with a horse.
         
        03-08-2012, 10:19 PM
      #45
    Trained
    Again you are putting a human feling to a horse. They are and always have been bred to work. Now that we do not have to depend on them for everything we do like we did over a 100 years ago people have gotten away from breeding horses to put in a days work. However mine are bred to work. That is why they love it. They are the most happy when they have a job to do. If you do not give them one they WILL find one and you probably will not like what they find. The problem is that horses now days are just bred with little thought to what they can will or should do. People just want a cute baby to play with and if you really needed to ask that horse to work they could not to save their life. They are not physicaly or mentaly able to do anything.

    It is great that your horse is happy just pluging a long mine are not. When I put my hat on to go into the arena my horses know what that mean and they are all business and ready to do their job.
         
        03-08-2012, 10:21 PM
      #46
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    Again you are putting a human feling to a horse. They are and always have been bred to work. Now that we do not have to depend on them for everything we do like we did over a 100 years ago people have gotten away from breeding horses to put in a days work. However mine are bred to work. That is why they love it. They are the most happy when they have a job to do. If you do not give them one they WILL find one and you probably will not like what they find. The problem is that horses now days are just bred with little thought to what they can will or should do. People just want a cute baby to play with and if you really needed to ask that horse to work they could not to save their life. They are not physicaly or mentaly able to do anything.

    It is great that your horse is happy just pluging a long mine are not. When I put my hat on to go into the arena my horses know what that mean and they are all business and ready to do their job.
    Why do you believe that horses don't have feelings close to humans?
         
        03-08-2012, 10:26 PM
      #47
    Trained
    B/C they do not. They are horses livestock. They have fellings but not human fellings. They do not look at things the way we do.
         
        03-08-2012, 10:28 PM
      #48
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    B/C they do not. They are horses livestock. They have fellings but not human fellings. They do not look at things the way we do.
    Because they don't? That's your answer? How do you KNOW? Yeah they do have feelings, very strong ones and not exactly the same as ours, fairly close I believe. My horse and I don't just "plug" along all the time. I also don't do the same with every horse. One horse I have does want a job, but I don't just give it to him. I also make sure he feels safe, loved and understood. Because he has feelings too.
         
        03-08-2012, 10:31 PM
      #49
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EmilyRosie    
    Why do you believe that horses don't have feelings close to humans?
    **HEAD/desk**

    And as much as I like this discussion, it really is off topic, and could be its own thread........

    If animals had feelings and intelligence like humans, they would be buying, training and selling us. THere is a difference, and, miss emily, horses are not all fairytales butterflies, and peachy keen relationships where you frolic together in the pasture, which is what I am hearing you are thinking.

    And, IMO, you make a huge mistake when you put human emotions to a horse. Let alone those of you who compare that relationship to a marriage.
         
        03-08-2012, 10:32 PM
      #50
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EmilyRosie    
    Why do you believe that horses don't have feelings close to humans?
    They display "human-like" qualities but I think it is an insult to the horse to say it acts like a human-being. They have a really well-balanced society. It is hard knocks at time no doubt, I mean the boss don't take no crap from her underlings...BUT it is devoid of a lot of negative human traits too. A horse is honest. It is simple. It lives in the moment. It does find pleasure in having a purpose too. They like to have a job just like you and I do...it stimulates their minds and bodies and keeps them sane. BUT they don't understand a humans need to be loved. And that's a really hard thing to grasp. Human love says "I feel so strongly for you I would never hurt you I want to express my feelings by coming in close to you and spoiling you with gifts that make you happy." A horses kind of "love" and I only use that word loosely is expressed by it following you, listening to you, and obeying you. That is how they express their devotion in their society. It isn't as needy or clingy as human love. I have heard it referred to as respect...I don't know if that word is appropriate either. It is simple. You are my leader I will follow you to deaths door if I trust you as my leader...I fear no thing or situation more than disappointing you as my leader. A horse that trusts, respects, "loves" it's owner will do that. It would ride through fire if it's leader told it to just cause it is that bonded but it isn't because of love it would do it...it is a natural instinct in them to follow the leader. It is a primitive drive of sorts. Humans often confuse horses with their displays of emotions and such. It is the path of good intentions that lead many horses to hell. Some horses can handle it...but many of them get so confused by the mixed signals of us having them in our space and in our faces all the time they take it as submission and exploit it as we are weaker and lesser in the relationship.
         

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