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    12-24-2011, 09:59 PM
  #11
Showing
When one looks at where the halter knots touch the horse's face there is very little flesh covering the bone. By adding a heavy snap, the knots add more pressure. I've wondered if this eventually deadens the nerves.
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    12-24-2011, 10:00 PM
  #12
Started
There's also the possibility of the horse bolting from handler for some reason & the all-rope halter & lead getting caught on something, never to snap, with dire results to the horse.
     
    12-26-2011, 05:39 PM
  #13
Foal
I, personally, find it more useful for communicating when there is more weight on the rope, it seems to clarify what i'm asking for, as apposed to how some ropes just kinda flop around. By "Clarify," I do not mean whacking them in the face, and I agree that any tool can hurt a horse if you use it incorrectly. I'm all about education before use.
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    12-26-2011, 10:58 PM
  #14
Foal
The snaps will break under good pressure, has happened to me twice

Also, the snap doesn't have to be used as a phase 4, my Parelli Instructor taught me another method :) I'll use the Yoyo game (4) as an example!
Phase 1, waggling the finger - Phase 2, waggling the rope (side to side motion) - Phase 3, waggle a little harder on the rope - Phase 4, keep the same pressure on the rope BUT add a driving motion towards the horse with the carrot stick - Phase 5, add a harder motion with the stick & keeping the same phase 3 pressure on the rope :)
     
    12-27-2011, 06:35 AM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Northern    
So, what does one use as a phase 4 alternative?
isn't that what the old carrot stick is for?

Parelli professional friend of mine believes the snaps weight helps keep the horse soft on the halter. Try it yourself, hold the halter in your hand by the noseband, with the snap and lead attatched, and move it around a bit then go still again. You will feel the momentum of the weight of the snap quite a lot. So it can give more 'warning' therefore more of an opportunity to be responsive.

So in that sense maybe there's something to it.

But IMO it's nothing more than an easy way of attatching a rope to a halter, and the swiveling part is very very good if you plan on tying a horse up.
     
    12-27-2011, 02:45 PM
  #16
Yearling
IMO the thing that Parelli students call phase 4 comes from the strength of your presence and will to move the horse rather than from the tools you use.

I'm not necessarily against snaps, though I'm mindful of what Bill Dorrance said: it takes an artist to use more severe equipment with feel (paraphrased).
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    12-29-2011, 07:26 PM
  #17
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I haven't checked this in awhile; thanks, all, for contributions!

How interesting that a P Professional has adding the carrot stick as phase 4! I like that a lot, since it precludes banging the chin with snap!

Also, I realize that I erred in calling the "thunk" a phase 4: phase 4 is in fact swinging the rope horizontally back & forth with the whole arm, from the shoulder. That does cause the snap to move back & forth & perhaps hit the chin.

So the thunk is beyond phase 4, which there isn't in PNH, except that in this case there is: it's the downward snap of the arm after a half-circle of the rope for momentum, causing the snap to thunk the rail, as per video instruction.
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    12-29-2011, 07:58 PM
  #18
Yearling
I worked with a young lady that was trying to emulate a BNT at our place one day.
She was wiggling a lead line back a forth trying to get the horse to back up.

I asked her if I could show her something.

I attached the lead line to a scale that I had in the tack room and asked her to move the lead line like she was with her horse.

The pressure was peaking at about 18 pounds.

I asked her if I could hit her in the lower part of her jaw with a metal clip if I only used 18 pounds of force.

The answer was NO.
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    01-02-2012, 11:01 AM
  #19
7HL
Foal
I haven't had "issues" with the Parelli snaps. I also like that they sell replacements. I have only had to replace 1 so far and that was on a lead rope that was 8-9 years old.
     
    01-02-2012, 12:08 PM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
IMO the thing that Parelli students call phase 4 comes from the strength of your presence and will to move the horse rather than from the tools you use.

I'm not necessarily against snaps, though I'm mindful of what Bill Dorrance said: it takes an artist to use more severe equipment with feel (paraphrased).
Agree!!!

I prefer to have my leads tied on so there is an uninterupted connection/communication between me and my horses. Like Ian said, it truly doesn't matter that much, snap or not, it's the quality of what I have to offer a horse not the quality of my tack that has meaning to the horse. My biggest problem with pop culture NH trainers is they seem to skip the concept of feel which is everything the founding fathers(Ray Hunt and the Dorrance Bros.) were teaching, you can't treat horsemanship like it's 4 simple steps to programming the alarm on your clock radio.
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