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    01-04-2012, 05:04 PM
  #101
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And the same is said with lots of other training methods :)
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    01-05-2012, 03:48 AM
  #102
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I once hired a Parelli follower as a part time barn worker. The job included free board for her horse. I figured what she did with her own horse was none of my business. However, she would walk around with her horse loose because she expected him to follow her & a few times I had to intervene when her horse decided to go in another direction, usually towards another boarder working with their tied or ridden horse. She would lay on the ground behind her loose, grazing horse (on my lawn) I guess to show off how much he loved her.
She did not turn horses out safely, left gates & doors open too long- basically counted on the 'honor system' of horse handling.
Other boarders complained & a few said they did not want her handling their horses. She had unsafe practices & when they were pointed out to her she always had some Parelli type excuse about being in a partnership & giving the horses options.
She was fired.
I now understand why there are Parelli only barns.
     
    01-05-2012, 04:37 AM
  #103
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I'll admit that I haven't read through this entire topic, that's just too much for me.
I just wanted to put my two cents in.

The OP sounds like a lovely horsewoman and I definitely respect that. Personally I can't stand Parelli, but I don't argue with results (that involve fair, respectful handling of a horse and achieving what is set out to be done without excessive force) and when it works for somebody I think that's great. However, I have found that about 95% of the Parelli people I have encountered (and mind you I board at an NH-based barn with emphasis on Parelli) did not know how to properly handle a horse that was displaying dangerous behaviour of any kind, could not comfortably ride a horse that was not previously dead broke, were regularly not just scared but seemingly terrified of their own horses, and could not even think to set goals for themselves or their horses because they were never able to a achieve them, all while claiming to be better able to bond with a horse than the average horseperson. Supposedly what they do is supposed to be softer and gentler and easier to understand than other methods of training, but I have very often seen sloppy, messy-looking and often harsh displays I could not understand even with step-by-step instruction, and what I'm describing was the people at higher levels who were trained and very familiar with the method. I find that all extremely unfortunate.
The remaining 5% have seemed to be very successful in what they set out to do and handled a wide range of horses with at least reasonable confidence. The common theme there was a pretty unanimous agreement that the newer material is a lot of BS and oftentimes they incorporated other training methods into their horsemanship at least on some level. I have nothing to say against that at all, I can completely respect that.

I often find it confusing, however, that it's seemingly such a common thought among Parelli followers that there are only two methods of horsemanship: Parelli and traditional. Then I often find that that concept of "traditional" horsemanship is a bit warped on top of that.
As a self proclaimed anti-Parellite, I personally train in a manner that can only be described as natural horsemanship as it is almost completely derived completely from studying the way horses think and behave and communicating with them in ways that make clear sense to them quickly if not immediately, following that way of thinking, as well as a lot of good old hands-on trial and error to figure out what each individual horse responds best to. I'm not sure it can get more natural than that as long as you're still a predator strapping a saddle to a prey animal's back and asking him to carry you around on it.
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    01-05-2012, 11:21 AM
  #104
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Natisha, I hate it when people at my place do that! Just because you do parelli doesn't mean you can't take precautions or be safe! Just because she knows her horse won't do anything doesn't mean that any others won't!
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    01-05-2012, 11:53 AM
  #105
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Originally Posted by savvygirl559    
Natisha, I hate it when people at my place do that! Just because you do parelli doesn't mean you can't take precautions or be safe! Just because she knows her horse won't do anything doesn't mean that any others won't!
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The thing is her horse seldom did what she wanted. She'd leave him standing loose in the barn aisle & walk away for some reason & I'd have to catch him as he trotted down the driveway or into the arena with other horses being worked. She gave him "freedom to make choices", jeeze he's a horse.
She made poor choices with her own horse & I couldn't take the chance that she would do the same with someone else's horse. She was generally a flake & her Parelli excuses were more than I could handle with an employee. She wasn't open minded, maybe I'm not either
     
    01-05-2012, 12:01 PM
  #106
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If my horse wanted to walk off, I would give her 'freedom of choice' I wouldn't let her! Its like her saying to you, 'I don't want to work today' and you say 'okay, freedom of choice!' And especially because she is an employee, she should stick by the rules if your yard and set and example for people who ride/board there! I completely agree!
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    01-05-2012, 02:55 PM
  #107
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I'm going to get on and ride, and I really don't care if he 'wants' to or not, it's going to happen
Sorry Golden Horse but this seems like you really don't respect your horse at all! Would you like it if someone grabbed you out of your bed & put you to work without having some fun first?
     
    01-05-2012, 02:59 PM
  #108
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Originally Posted by HorseyyGal    
Sorry Golden Horse but this seems like you really don't respect your horse at all! Would you like it if someone grabbed you out of your bed & put you to work without having some fun first?
That pretty much describes what happens when I have to go to work.
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    01-05-2012, 02:59 PM
  #109
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What makes you think the 'games' you play with your horse are something he/she considers fun? As far as the horse is concerned it's all work, regardless of what the clueless predator on the other side of the round pen thinks!

I do not ask my horse's permission to ride him, just as my supervisor doesn't ask my permission to do work for pay. Oh, no thank you, boss! I'd rather just sit here and play on the interwebz all day! KThnx!!!

My horses do not get to choose what we do or don't do, I do. I'm the herd leader, and what I say goes. My relationship with each of them is just fine, because I find that horses are MORE willing when they have a strong, confident leader.

You can and should be friends with your horses, but being someone the animals can look up to is much more important. Respect is mandatory; friendship is optional. I'd much rather my horses respected me than 'lurved' me, because with respect they're less likely to try and walk all over me.
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    01-05-2012, 03:03 PM
  #110
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Originally Posted by savvygirl559    
if my horse wanted to walk off, I would give her 'freedom of choice' I wouldn't let her! Its like her saying to you, 'I don't want to work today' and you say 'okay, freedom of choice!' And especially because she is an employee, she should stick by the rules if your yard and set and example for people who ride/board there! I completely agree!
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and when I said I would give her freedom of choice, I mean woulnt :)
     

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