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        10-13-2009, 06:16 PM
      #111
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    If there is a problem, it's due to the handling, not the program.
    This is true for any type of training any program. I show both stallions and mares. I use good common seance as dose the trainers I use. If you insist on respect and you are the leader there are very few horses who will not work for you. Problem I have with Parelli along with a lot of off the self trainers is that people who are new to horses think they can learn from them and do not need any real life help. This is the big problem. Most of the people who can get these methods to work and work fairly well have experience out side of Parelli or others.

    It goes back to practice dose NOT make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. If you are not practicing correctly it does not matter what you do or what program you use.
         
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        10-13-2009, 06:29 PM
      #112
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    The only help I have had with my journey in the Parelli program is 2 clinics and 2 lessons. That's it. All of which have been in the past couple years. All the rest of my learning came from the Levels packs, the Savvy Club DVDs and magazines, anything I learned at their tour stops, but most of all from my own work with my horse. They gave me the concepts, now it's up to me to become an independent learner and experiment. If I become an independent learner, and I can think systematically, then I can fix any problem when it arises and I won't need the help of anyone else....because they gave me the tools on how to be a problem solver, but most importantly, a problem preventer. I will say that I do feel I am a very good student, I don't just watch things, I study it, I watch things WAY more than once. I don't take learning how to be a horse-woman lightly, I'm very serious about it. I want to be the best me I can be for my horse, I want to be able to develop him to higher levels of performance and do it with grace and lightness.....and for him to have a smile on his face the whole time.
         
        10-13-2009, 06:34 PM
      #113
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    The only help I have had with my journey in the Parelli program is 2 clinics and 2 lessons. That's it. All of which have been in the past couple years. All the rest of my learning came from the Levels packs, the Savvy Club DVDs and magazines, anything I learned at their tour stops, but most of all from my own work with my horse. They gave me the concepts, now it's up to me to become an independent learner and experiment. If I become an independent learner, and I can think systematically, then I can fix any problem when it arises and I won't need the help of anyone else....because they gave me the tools on how to be a problem solver, but most importantly, a problem preventer. I will say that I do feel I am a very good student, I don't just watch things, I study it, I watch things WAY more than once. I don't take learning how to be a horse-woman lightly, I'm very serious about it. I want to be the best me I can be for my horse, I want to be able to develop him to higher levels of performance and do it with grace and lightness.....and for him to have a smile on his face the whole time.
    My point is that you can accomplish all you have just said without ever having seen a single Parelli DVD or gone to a single Parelli clinic.

    Or use any horsenality chart.
         
        10-13-2009, 08:02 PM
      #114
    Green Broke
    What do you mean how long have I been riding my horse?? I've owned her for almost 2 years now, and she was only saddle broke. Not broke to ride when I got her... So the only training she's got was from me which means Parelli...
    She's been broke for about a whole year now and w.t.c lead changing jumping up to 2'6. Rides with just a halter or a bridle. She can keep any pace you ask even with no contact on teh reins. Will even hold a head set.

    I posted that video to show that its not so much parelli that caused the horses bad manners. Because Chance is one of the best mannered horses in my barn besides the older lesson horses. [Im at a 1/2 parelli 1/2 tradional barn]

    .. I KNOW theres more out there and I've played with a lot of them and parelli works for me. Chance has been opened to everything from Art Of Natural Dressage, John Lyons, CA, Parelli, and just plain traditional. I ALWAYS came back to parelli because that's where I got the most feed back. For me its hard to stay with the program because I want more faster but I KNOW if I follow the program and just keep my goals more at the back of my mind I will make it.

    Im hopefully about to be a Level 3 student soon.

    SpiritHorse you HAVE to get that video. I have nothing to show that would even compare to that I bet so I would much rather have you do that part lol.

    Theres more to parelli then just some stick and string and dvd's.

    Also the only help I've had is DVD's and one lesson from Kelly sigler and of course supporting friends. My friend whos a total traditional is letting me work with his draft mare because he's seen a HUGE difference in Chance. 3 people who use to see me work with Chance in the begining even admitted she use to be insane.. and there mouths drop when they see her today. Even what I look back I just can't believe it.

    MAYBE I could have done all this the traditional way .. or CA or any of those guys.. but its not what felt right..
         
        10-13-2009, 09:11 PM
      #115
    Yearling
    I enjoy playing with my horse, I think that it is great that when I walk out to get my horse his ears go up and he meets me halfway : ) I have used the Parelli program mostly with the online and some liberty work. I think our relationship has grown leaps and bounds since working with the program.
    I don't even use my stick that much to tell you the truth....
    My Mustang was very reactive but now instead of reacting he looks to me as if to say , should I be concerned and if I am not concerned he is fine.
    I think that whole concept made more sense to me after I started using Parelli.

    I don't discount other trainers , I try to read , watch & learn everything that I can. There really isnt any Parelli friendly places close to where I live but there are a few NH trainers. There are a lot of traditional instructors in my area but I feel that I don't share the same goals as they do so most of the time I do go it a lone.
    It may be taking me longer than someone else to get where it is I want to go but that is ok , I am not going anywhere : )

    As far as the money marketing concept that can be said with any kind of trainer...there are books, clinics , better ropes etc....and if someone will buy them they will still sell them. I have heard time and time again that you can do all the training with regular halters, longe whips etc...but the feel may be off and it may take you longer achieve the results. I used the CA halter with the extra knots for a long time and sometime I still do , but I was told by another trainer that my Parelli halter was too harsh too! : o
         
        10-13-2009, 09:16 PM
      #116
    Yearling
    "It goes back to practice dose NOT make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect."

    I do agree with this ....


    Did you know that this is what Pat Parelli actually says and encourages his students to do as well?
         
        10-13-2009, 09:20 PM
      #117
    Yearling
    Spirithorse,
    I know that I would love to see you with your horse, I feel that you really are on your game and know the program very well : )
         
        10-13-2009, 09:34 PM
      #118
    Weanling
    I like the basics of Parelli and how they help you connect with your horse at a deep level (for certain horses at least NOT all) but I don't agree at all with the prices I can get a "string" and a "stick" at an auction or something if I really wanted to practice the method. What I REALLY don't agree with though is the all love no correction thing. Sometimes repremending is needed. Take the lady asking for advice on her biting horse for instance...a carrot (like was advised by the "master" himself) is not going to save her horses behaviour in this situation, only correction, probably a well timed whack. A carrot stick will also not save her unless of course she bobs him on the nose with it (sorta kidding)
    That's one of the reasons I completly agree with people saying you need to mix and match methods and maybe make your own if they are GOOD and will bring about POSITIVE results.
    On the helmet issue, I think it is a persons choice whether or not to use one but unfortunatly with the huge amount of addicted followers of Linda and Parelli people will stop making legit choices and only follow their "leaders".
    I do commend people who have done Parelli well -claps for you- I'm not going to preach to you not to or say your not good horse people but I think you need to expand your methods also, I'm sorry but horses will spook, deny certain training, and you will get the odd ball horse you decides to make a 5th horsanality all his own, JMHO!
    Sorry if I totally repeated what others have said.
         
        10-13-2009, 09:38 PM
      #119
    Started
    Thanks HAF and RadHenry :) I will start working on that video. I'll have to get my computer-wiz of a cousin to show me how to get it on YouTube because I am CLUELESS on that! Lol. I will get it though!

    There are many ways to train a horse. But I ask myself, "How many of those ways are good for the horse?" A lot of them are very convinient for US, for several reasons, but it's not necessarily the best for the horse. Then there are those that are pretty good, however from what I know, I see holes in other programs, so I choose to not follow that....not because I necessarily disagree with them, just because I'm following a program that offers more. For me, I have not seen another program that offers the kind of in-depth information Parelli does. I do plan on showing in Dressage and Jumping eventually, and I already have my mentors picked out whom I will learn from because they follow the same principles I do. These mentors will further my knowledge of biomechanics and sport-specific ideas, all the while maintaining the principles I follow. Personally, I can't ask for anything better than that! :) And like I've said before, my horse will tell me if I'm doing something wrong and so far he isn't protesting.
         
        10-13-2009, 09:40 PM
      #120
    Started
    Oh, and for those who think Parelli is all lovey-dovey-never-get-firm-with-a-horse kinda program, you are SO wrong! Lol. You should have seen Pat himself with my horse at the Celebration. He was FIRM BUT FAIR and the result was my horse putting more effort into things, his play drive came up and his entire demeanor changed for the better. You HAVE to balance your Drive and Draw, that was my big lesson at the Celebration.
         

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