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        10-29-2009, 11:06 AM
      #171
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    Where are all these crazy people? Lol. Perhaps we can round all of them up and put them in one designated spot where we all know to avoid lol. They aren't in my area I can tell you....like I said, I've never met any of the crazy ones.
    Oh I can say Ihave met alot of crazy ones and it isn't pretty w if you say that you don't do parreli
         
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        10-30-2009, 02:44 PM
      #172
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
    While procrastinating on real work (oh... wait... like now), I looked up the Seven Games on the website, as I didn't actually know what they consisted of doing. It was all, and I mean all of it, stuff I've been doing for years and was taught to do by the "natural horsemanship" trainers I used to work with when I first bought my own horse. So that's like fifteen-ish years ago. They were not Parelli trained. If they had to ascribe their influences to anyone I reckon it would have been the Dorrances, or maybe Ray Hunt. Anyway, asking the horse to back up from a wiggly lead rope, yield its haunches, yield its forehand, leg yield on the ground, allow you to touch it wherever, etc. are all things I was taught to do as basic groundwork. Parelli just seems to have given it a clever wee name, categorized it into a more rigid series of steps, and given a different explanation as to why you do it than the one I am familiar with (these are seven games that horses play with each other to establish who is the alpha in a herd. Really? Have you ever seen one horse in a field make another horse back up thirty feet? I haven't). So my point is that he's not discovered revolutionary new training system that no one hasn't figured out; he's just presented what people were already doing in a more packaged way.
    Absolutely right on the money!! The people like the Dorrances and Ray Hunt (and to some degree Buck Brannaman, Curt Pate, Martin Black and others that do fewer endorsments)do what they do for the horse. Ray Hunt could have made millions of dollars selling books and videos but that wasn't important to him. His truck and trailer didn't have any sponsor stickers on them and he never sold a single piece of tack at his clinics. What he sold was the start of a better understanding of the horse. I can only think of two things that Ray endorsed, one was a rope halter and the other was a walker system that used gates to push a horse rather than a rope to lead them. At the clinic I rode in he didn't critique anyones tack or try to push his way on anyone but if you tried his way you would seek it out every time. In a sense he was teaching us to fish, whereas, the more popular clinicians are just selling fishes. When you learn the philosophy behind the technique you are much less likely to get stumped.
         
        10-30-2009, 05:28 PM
      #173
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    I agree this is one of my biggest problems with Parreli and even most of the other people who package this type of stuff. Now I will say that I have a few videos of different trainers. However each and every single one is a well established PROVEN trainer in my event. To pay for something that is put together by a person who has never really gone out and proven at a high level that their way really works then ask you to give them money is just beyond me. Also do not give me the agurment that the people buying the stuff do not care about showing. Showing is a way to prove by an independant sorce that what you are doing it really working and working better at least on that day then any other person and their horse.
    Exactly!

    Competitive riding doesn't particularly intrest me; I get much more enjoyment out of a day spent out on trail than all of the time and effort and money it takes to show. However, when it comes to trainers selling their advice (along with their own line of training equipment, books, DVDs) and endorsing products from big-name horse supply companies, I tend to listen more carefully to the ones who actually have personally trained horses that went on to successful show careers, and/or have some personal and fairly-recent competition background on horses they have trained themselves.

    I just don't see much in most of the BNTs from the Natural Horsemanship community to make me sit up and take notice.
         
        10-30-2009, 07:08 PM
      #174
    Weanling
    I do agree that some things of Parelli do seem expensive, but being the owner of stuff from ropes to the carrot stick to the theraflex pad and I've used their saddle once...I am amazed at the quality of their items.
    But they do not say that you need to buy their equipment in order to succeed nor do they grade people differently or treat people differently because they don't buy their items.


    May I ask exactly what makes it so important to have a trainer have a show record? To me how the trainer scores in shows is not important but what is important is what his horses think of him and how he treats the horses
         
        10-30-2009, 07:15 PM
      #175
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    Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
    May I ask exactly what makes it so important to have a trainer have a show record? To me how the trainer scores in shows is not important but what is important is what his horses think of him and how he treats the horses
    IMHO, how they treat the horses is the most important thing but a trainer with a good show record proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can successfully train winning horses in any given discipline. That way, people don't have to go on his word alone that he can train *enter discipline here* horses. If I wanted a reining horse trained, I would look for a trainer that had been winning in the NRHA, same with cutting and NCHA, and I would imagine that there are few people that would be willing to send their horse to a dressage trainer that had never shown (and if they did, didn't win). If you are just looking for a good broke horse that you can use for trails or maybe some very low level shows, then the trainers show record isn't as important but for competitions if you want a winning horse, you need to have a winning trainer.
         
        11-11-2009, 10:51 PM
      #176
    c99
    Foal
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    Quote: (these are seven games that horses play with each other to establish who is the alpha in a herd. Really? Have you ever seen one horse in a field make another horse back up thirty feet? I haven't).

    No one has. This parelli is a freak and dangerous dude. We ordered 3 of his videos and were disgusted. He uses whips for everything, no mater what. The guy can't do anything with a horse unless he has a whip. What's naturel about that!
    Then you look at the faces of the audience and you know they are thinking that this is not fun for the horse. This guy is a dope. Don't waste your money and ruin a horse.
         
        11-11-2009, 11:15 PM
      #177
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    ^^ If you say he can't do anything without a whip, you haven't done your research ;) That's evident from your post.
         
        11-11-2009, 11:32 PM
      #178
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    Originally Posted by c99    
    Quote: (these are seven games that horses play with each other to establish who is the alpha in a herd. Really? Have you ever seen one horse in a field make another horse back up thirty feet? I haven't).

    No one has. This parelli is a freak and dangerous dude. We ordered 3 of his videos and were disgusted. He uses whips for everything, no mater what. The guy can't do anything with a horse unless he has a whip. What's naturel about that!
    Then you look at the faces of the audience and you know they are thinking that this is not fun for the horse. This guy is a dope. Don't waste your money and ruin a horse.

    So just how many horses have you trained? I'm not a big Parelli fan but your kind of an ignorant a**. Why don't you link to your web site and maybe I'll buy your videos? When is your show on TV or are you too busy doing clinics across the world because your method works and people pay alot of money to learn what you know? If you don't like it don't do it but don't run a horseman down with your ignorance. I doubt you are worthy of picking the **** out of his stalls.
         
        11-11-2009, 11:51 PM
      #179
    Showing
    Agreed with 2 previous posters. I may not agree with many of the things that he does or teaches but that is not saying that they don't work. He is one hell of a horseman and anyone with half a brain can tell that by watching him work with his horses. I don't like him for personal reasons and I don't particularly like the way that he does his business but I will be the first to jump up and defend him by saying that he IS a horseman, better than many that are out there. And as for the whip, it's not like he was actually using it to whip the horse, he uses it as an extension of his body to help with cues.
         
        11-12-2009, 08:47 PM
      #180
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    ^^ I completely respect your post smrobs. Nicely put.
         

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