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  • CAN I USE SPURS IN NATURAL HORSEMANSHIP
  • Parellis refinement

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    11-26-2009, 02:08 PM
  #261
Foal
No ,sorry, I have to disagree; I think it all often goes too far imo. It goes beyond what is actually needed to achieve the result. Yes it works for some, but it is a lot of flaffing about, and in quite a few cases it is un-necasary and even detrimental. We will just have to agree to disagree lol
     
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    11-30-2009, 08:41 AM
  #262
Foal
Try this www.naturalhorsemanshiptraining.net some really useful information on site.
     
    11-30-2009, 12:09 PM
  #263
Weanling
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Originally Posted by gemwst82    
Try this www.naturalhorsemanshiptraining.net some really useful information on site.
How the heck can you tell what is information and what are ads?? In my opinion, if someone is to have a website to get people to buy their products and try to get a point around they should use a less cluttered website with no ads...or if they have to use ads (for their sponsers) have it in a position where people know it's an ad.
Not a very professional if they can't even afford a website without ads just my opinion
     
    12-07-2009, 08:12 AM
  #264
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
How the heck can you tell what is information and what are ads?? In my opinion, if someone is to have a website to get people to buy their products and try to get a point around they should use a less cluttered website with no ads...or if they have to use ads (for their sponsers) have it in a position where people know it's an ad.
Not a very professional if they can't even afford a website without ads just my opinion
LOL, that's true. . .though the creators of that web site don't have the same audience of starry-eyed followers who will pay $100+ for a lunge line.

A while ago I watched a couple of Parelli's videos online, just youtube stuff people posted from his events. Maybe he actually does do teaching with individuals and their horses, but it seemed like the only clips of him involved showy circus tricks or a bunch of his students shaking overpriced carrot sticks at their own horses while the crowd watches in awe.

I've found something interesting about some of his followers. On other forums, the hardcore Parellites occasionally make negative comments about the use of spurs (in general).

According to them, spurs are a old-fashioned training instrument, more like a torture device. Just to prove a point, a few people chime in with horror stories about seeing riders' spurs leave bloody marks on their mount.

If anyone tries to clarify that spurs, when used correctly, are not cruel and are no more than an aid, the starry-eyed followers hold fast to their belief that spurs are totally unnatural and that any use of them is cruelty. Not surprisingly, these are generally the same people who brag about the horse they've been "training" for three years but they're still too scared to get on its back. . .

Lo and behold, someone points out a promotional video in which Lord Parelli himself is riding with *gasp* spurs. Suddenly, the followers rush to defend him and his spur-wearing ways. He knows how to use them, he's not really kicking the horse with them, just giving the horse light leg cues.

It really is pretty funny to watch them backpeddle. . .
     
    12-07-2009, 11:28 AM
  #265
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
LOL, that's true. . .though the creators of that web site don't have the same audience of starry-eyed followers who will pay $100+ for a lunge line.
It's not a lunge line nor do we lunge our horses. The circling game is entirely different than lunging. And as many have stated, Pat Parelli does NOT control prices the other guy does (his name escapes me) and prices aren't upped that much, I've gotten stuff directly from the company that makes the stuff for Parelli...my 12 ft lead was only $20 less than what it was on the Parelli website. I've never once seen a store not up the price at least by 35%...and even when it says 50% off...they are STILL making money off of it. It's a business, yes, just like Toys R Us or different stores.

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A while ago I watched a couple of Parelli's videos online, just youtube stuff people posted from his events. Maybe he actually does do teaching with individuals and their horses, but it seemed like the only clips of him involved showy circus tricks or a bunch of his students shaking overpriced carrot sticks at their own horses while the crowd watches in awe.
And as I've stated, Parelli is just a name, it's the actions speak. Anyone can call themselves a Parelli follower, but does not mean that they are one. Go and look at the videos of (youtube usernames) byhispirit, savvysundance, and I can give alot more good students that know what they are doing and are well on their way to becoming great teachers (I hope they both become Parelli Professionals)

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I've found something interesting about some of his followers. On other forums, the hardcore Parellites occasionally make negative comments about the use of spurs (in general).
The "hardcore Parellites" know that spurs are for refinement. THey might make negative comments on the use of spurs when people use them wrong, but I see everyone here doing it if someone is doing that with a bit. There is nothing wrong with spurs if you know how to use them and use them for refinement. They should not be used to get a horse to go.

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According to them, spurs are a old-fashioned training instrument, more like a torture device. Just to prove a point, a few people chime in with horror stories about seeing riders' spurs leave bloody marks on their mount.
Yes for the people that over use them, that is all true, for people that do not know how to use spurs they ARE a torture device. Just like a bit. ALL bits are soft in the right hands...but even a simple loose ring snaffle can be torture in the wrong hands.

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If anyone tries to clarify that spurs, when used correctly, are not cruel and are no more than an aid, the starry-eyed followers hold fast to their belief that spurs are totally unnatural and that any use of them is cruelty. Not surprisingly, these are generally the same people who brag about the horse they've been "training" for three years but they're still too scared to get on its back. . .
I'm sorry but I'm a "hardcore Parellite" as you call us, and I am fine with spurs AS LONG AS they are used correctly and not used by an inexperienced or just a cruel person. And imo any Parelli student that does say differently I'd also not agree with....Pat Parelli uses spurs when he rides Magic, his main mare...he uses them as refinement and knows how to use them properly.
Do I use spurs? No...I have not tried them nor do I plan on it. I "know" how to use them (the idea) but never used them.


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Lo and behold, someone points out a promotional video in which Lord Parelli himself is riding with *gasp* spurs. Suddenly, the followers rush to defend him and his spur-wearing ways. He knows how to use them, he's not really kicking the horse with them, just giving the horse light leg cues.
And alot of people know how to use them correctly, but I have also seen alot of "rough and tough cowboys" that turn a good refinement aid into a torture device as he kicks the horse to go with the sharp spurs on and then wonders why the horse misbehaves.

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It really is pretty funny to watch them backpeddle. . .
Parelli students that know the program, and understand the fundamentals would have answered the same way as I have. Spurs are not a bad torture device in good hands, but they ARE in bad hands (errr feet in this instance). I have hundreds of friends that are Parelli students, and I know none would be anti-spurs if they are used for what they are meant to be, a refinment tool for cues.
Sadly I know and have seen many people not use spurs correctly and that's when it gets into being cruel and torture.

The bit is only as soft as the hands ;)
     
    12-07-2009, 02:24 PM
  #266
Weanling
Ohhh. . .right. . .I forgot. . .it's a "game."

Silly me. Do the horses know it's supposed to be fun? They always look like they're bored out of their minds.

Call it "circle game" or whatever you want, but the item used to play is no more than a glorified, $93 lunge line.

Of course Pat doesn't control those prices, but I don't hear him complaining when the money from his followers rolls in, either.

Right now, I'm watching the videos on YouTube from the user names you posted. Waiting for something astounding to happen, actually. Well. . .I'm watching circus tricks, horses jumping over barrels (getting some very bad spots before take-offs, I noticed), people sprawled across their horses' backs, shaking carrot sticks in their faces.

Fascinating. So, basically Parelli just packaged and sold a system for just getting to know your horse, for people who couldn't figure it out for themselves?

If that's what floats the Parellites' boat. . .at least they will have plenty of nice, quality yacht rope.
     
    12-07-2009, 02:28 PM
  #267
Foal
I do not know much about which ones are good and wich ones are bad but he ok :I I tried his methods but my horse just looked at me as if saying what the heck?
     
    12-07-2009, 02:32 PM
  #268
Foal
Parelli is good for the entry level horseperson. Helps them to establish ground rules and gives them an understanding of horse behaviors, heirarchy, etc.
     
    12-07-2009, 02:36 PM
  #269
Trained
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Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
Ohhh. . .right. . .I forgot. . .it's a "game."

Silly me. Do the horses know it's supposed to be fun? They always look like they're bored out of their minds.

Call it "circle game" or whatever you want, but the item used to play is no more than a glorified, $93 lunge line.

Of course Pat doesn't control those prices, but I don't hear him complaining when the money from his followers rolls in, either.

Right now, I'm watching the videos on YouTube from the user names you posted. Waiting for something astounding to happen, actually. Well. . .I'm watching circus tricks, horses jumping over barrels (getting some very bad spots before take-offs, I noticed), people sprawled across their horses' backs, shaking carrot sticks in their faces.

Fascinating. So, basically Parelli just packaged and sold a system for just getting to know your horse, for people who couldn't figure it out for themselves?

If that's what floats the Parellites' boat. . .at least they will have plenty of nice, quality yacht rope.
its a game that the horse is supposed to lose...
     
    12-07-2009, 02:48 PM
  #270
Foal
Parelli's program serves a purpose. It is great for inexperienced riders who need to learn how to establish control and ground manners. It also helps those who know how to ride but may lack chunks of their basics (I've seen a number of these out there over the years) and this program can build up their skills.

On the other hand, my gelding and I got thrown into a parelli (teacher) clinic when the barn we were boarded at had it's official grand opening for the public (and other nosy horse people). The barn owner wanted a full class and decided we were good candidates.

I'd never done Parelli, but at that point I'd had my gelding for 7 years and had a habit of riding him around the property bareback with nothing but a halter and leadrope. I guess other people were impressed by how he did his "first time" but I wasn't...we'd already done everything they showed us at somepoint in his general breaking/training/being my best buddy process.
     

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