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        12-07-2009, 01:55 PM
      #271
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by simplysouthern    
    Parelli's program serves a purpose. It is great for inexperienced riders who need to learn how to establish control and ground manners. It also helps those who know how to ride but may lack chunks of their basics (I've seen a number of these out there over the years) and this program can build up their skills.
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    You forgot those people with more money than brains that don't have enough useless crap.

    I laughed out loud in a previous post when the poster said that she had bought a 12 foot lead from the manufacturer for $20 less than the Parelli price. $20 is way too much to pay for a lead rope. That's hilarious!
         
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        12-07-2009, 07:44 PM
      #272
    Green Broke
    Even though Clinton Anderson is almost the exact same as Parelli price wise.. everyone is fine with it.....

    *rolls eyes*

    And will you stop saying that people who do parelli are usually inexperienced..... because that would be WRONG.... yes there are a handful of "new to horses/riding" people which is great there getting an AWESOME start IMO.

    ALSO about the games.. yeah my horse LOVES to play with me! She offers everything and anything and actually has a HAPPY expression on her face. And she's not afraid to be a horse with me... not just a robotic thing... which im not saying all people who don't do parelli horses are like this.. I've just seen way to many.... and its sad.

    The 7 games is teh BASICS but its the fundementals of the whole program but theres soooooo much more to it, which IF you studies the PROGRAM rather then based it on what you think.. or some crap videos you saw of people just starting [sorry!] ... then maybe you would know that. Oh and its not just "circus" tricks... but fine... call it what you will, its made my horse better and more well rounded.

    Im getting sick of this...
         
        12-07-2009, 10:40 PM
      #273
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    


    Im getting sick of this...
    Amen to that.

    I do believe there is a Conscientious Etiquette Policy that many are not following. Seems to me that if you are here simply to bash Parelli or natural horsemanship in general that you are breaking the forum rules.

    Kevinshorses, I expected more from you.


    Can't people just live with the fact that there are many people, inexperienced and EXPERIENCED that benefit from Parelli Natural Horsemanship and it is a great way to communicate with a horse. Yes it's not the only way, but many people have chosen this route and have gone a long way
    Just like anything, people disagree, but do we honestly have to start bashing and so on?
         
        12-07-2009, 11:08 PM
      #274
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
    Kevinshorses, I expected more from you.

    It's not just the Parelli people. Anyone that is so wrapped up in a certain trainer loses sight of the purpose of it all. Parelli has a more vocal and loyal following than most so they are targeted more often. The prices of all the NH crap makes me shake my head. When I went to CA the first time he had a little trailer with all the stuff he was selling inside. The last time I went it looked like the circus had come to town. There were 2 or 3 large circus like tents that were filled with crap he or his sponsors were selling. I can imagine it's the same for a lot of them now. That is the part I find hard to swallow and I don't miss too many chances to take a jab. As I have said many times in this and other threads all of these BNT's are great horseman and have done the horse world a great service but often times people lose the message in the retoric. You don't need to know how to play certain games or do one rein stops as badly as you need to know WHY you should do those things. Most people don't understand the why. They want to just do the how and get angry when it doesn't work.
         
        12-07-2009, 11:42 PM
      #275
    Trained

    Oh I am so glad I took the time to read this thread.

    Bravo, Spyder and bravo, Kevin.
         
        12-07-2009, 11:53 PM
      #276
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
    It's not a lunge line nor do we lunge our horses. The circling game is entirely different than lunging.
    How is the "circle game" different from lunging? Is it in the circle game you just stand still and in lunging you turn with the horse?
         
        12-07-2009, 11:59 PM
      #277
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    It's not just the Parelli people. Anyone that is so wrapped up in a certain trainer loses sight of the purpose of it all. Parelli has a more vocal and loyal following than most so they are targeted more often. The prices of all the NH crap makes me shake my head. When I went to CA the first time he had a little trailer with all the stuff he was selling inside. The last time I went it looked like the circus had come to town. There were 2 or 3 large circus like tents that were filled with crap he or his sponsors were selling. I can imagine it's the same for a lot of them now. That is the part I find hard to swallow and I don't miss too many chances to take a jab. As I have said many times in this and other threads all of these BNT's are great horseman and have done the horse world a great service but often times people lose the message in the retoric. You don't need to know how to play certain games or do one rein stops as badly as you need to know WHY you should do those things. Most people don't understand the why. They want to just do the how and get pissed when it doesn't work.
    Two thumbs up!

    Horses as with any animal for that matter, there will be good things and not-so-much about certain trainers. I do find some things that Parelli teaches to be good advice....its his approach and marketing that leave my whiskers in a bunch....so in that regard I have no respect for him as a trainer. AS its about the horse, not the all mightey $dollar$
    Every horse is different, so you can't say this way is the best way.
    That is like saying the only way to clean your bathroom is by using Mr. Clean.

    I personally take a little bit of ideas/concepts from varies clinicians, as well as my own experience and knowledge to find what works for me in that particular moment w/that particular horse.
         
        12-08-2009, 12:09 AM
      #278
    Trained
    I havent looked at this thread before... but 110% with Spyder and Kevin.
    I find most of the parelli follows down my way to be like a cult in some ways. If you don't do it parelli's way you're 'abusing' your horse and not getting the results that your horse is capable of. I almost spat my coffee over something with laughter when they tried to give me a lecture on why I am a terrible horse person because I don't 'do Parelli'.

    What puts the icing on the cake for me however, is one girl I know who 'was' a faithfull Parelli cult member.
    She was/is a ery inexperienced horse person, brought an ottb and came to my coach for lessons. She was struggling with the horse and one day came off and broke her arm. Of course, she blamed my coach (she came off on her own property, not during a lesson).
    6 weeks later when she could ride again, she decided that becomign a deciple of Parelli would solve all her problems and her horse would be perfect. So off she toddled, played the 7 games then moved onto the more advanced Parelli work- you know the ones where you can ride bareback, no bridle etc. with no helmet and you're horse WILL NOT SPOOK because it's Parelli trained and holds you in such high regard that it wouldn't dare hurt you?
    So one day, she decides to take this beautifully behaved Parelli trained spook proofed horse down a busy road, amusing, past my coaches property, bareback, no bridle, no helmet (but of course the compulsary Parelli 'cowboy hat' and 'wonder rope'). Horse was fine, then she decided she might have a rest under a tree 'cowboy style'. So.... she ties her horse TO HER LEG!! (because Parelli says her horse won't spook now that it's trained properly) and goes to sleep. Of course, horse gets a fright, takes off down the road dragging her by the leg. ANother broken arm, and some good cuts... and this Parelli follower has decided that maybe the system is not so foolproof.
         
        12-08-2009, 12:12 AM
      #279
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maverick101    

    I personally take a little bit of ideas/concepts from varies clinicians, as well as my own experience and knowledge to find what works for me in that particular moment w/that particular horse.
    Exactly, just because a system works for one horse doesn't mean it will for another. I, like you, try to soak up as much information as humanely possible from as many different sources as possible so that when I meet a hrose that one method doesn't work with, I will have plenty of tricks up my sleeve to try. None of my horses have been trained with one single training system, a bit of everything works wonders ;)
         
        12-08-2009, 06:49 AM
      #280
    Green Broke
    I just skimmed the recent replies but as it was said idk HOW many times, not all Parelli follower and none that I know think that if you don't do parelli your abusing your horses. -.-!

    And part of the program is learning WHY! You are doing what you are doing. Why you are disengaging there hind end etc. Its all part of the learning!

    Lungeing is mircromangaging the horse, not allowing them to think about what gait to maintain... they are just told to continue the second they even LOOK like they might break. With the circle game the horse has a responsablity to maintain gait/direction without you standing there stareing at them and pushing them forward continuously. Lunging has its purposes, and so does the circle game. Neither one is better or worse for the horse. Both can be hard on the joints.

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    then she decided she might have a rest under a tree 'cowboy style'. So.... she ties her horse TO HER LEG!! (because Parelli says her horse won't spook now that it's trained properly) and goes to sleep
    ANYONE!!!!! Who does this is just plan STUPID!!! Why blame the program for her stupidity?! Pat nor Linda EVER tell you its okay to tie your horse to the leg!


    And the program does work for all horses, some its a little more of a Challenge with. But if the owner sticks with it and takes the time to learn what their individual horse needs it WILL work.

    Parelli ISNT the only way, im still learning about different methods and working on learning as much as I can....so that means studying other trainers. But I do mainly parelli with my 2 horses. Chance is at least a level 2/3 on ground, and one of the best mannered horses at the barn and very respectful of humans and I can so anything and everything with her. She use to be one of those horses who everyone said needed to be put down etc. Everyone whos see's her now is literally in shock and can't even believe that changes she has made.

    Little is just starting in the program and its a horribly dominate towards humans [kicks out, swings his head at you, agressive] but he's already making changes, maybe not fast as i'd but he's more respectful then he use to be.
         

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