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        12-08-2009, 08:20 AM
      #281
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kayty    
    ANother broken arm, and some good cuts... and this Parelli follower has decided that maybe the system is not so foolproof.
    Nothing is foolproof to a dedicated fool! Talk about a tough way to wake up.
         
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        12-08-2009, 09:52 AM
      #282
    Weanling
    The difference between lunging and the circling game is this:
    Lunging you are micromanaging the horse, not trusting that he'll do his job which is to go around in a circle around you. You face him at all times remind him to trot when he's already trotting, and will give a random flick of the lunging whip. You are not trusting that he'll stay in the same gait, and saying trot while he's already trotting is just pointless IMO
    The circling game you are trusting that they will respond but ready to correct. You follow along until the horse slows down or speeds up like you wish, then go to neutral, letting the horse know that was the right thing to do. Pressure motivates, but it's the release that teaches. We stay neutral as long as the horse fulfills his part of the partnership:
    *Act like a partner, not a predator
    *Maintain Gait
    *Maintain Direction
    *Look Where you're going
    The only time we come out of nuetral is to change something, like ask the horse to speed up or slow down, to switch directions or to stop. Or to correct a gait change or direction change.


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    Exactly, just because a system works for one horse doesn't mean it will for another.
    I'm sure I'll get my you know what chewed for this but I'm getting it anyways
    Parelli will work for all horses, just not all people. Parelli is psychology and works to figure out how the horse ticks and what the horse is thinking and to get to where the horse wants to be a partner. I have seen Parelli work for hundreds of thousands of horses....the only time I've seen it "not work" is because the PERSON did it wrong, or was setting it up for failure or something like that. Give me any horse and we can succeed with Parelli, some may take a longer time some quite less it depends on how well the horse learns and what horsenality.


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    So.... she ties her horse TO HER LEG!! (because Parelli says her horse won't spook now that it's trained properly) and goes to sleep. Of course, horse gets a fright, takes off down the road dragging her by the leg. ANother broken arm, and some good cuts... and this Parelli follower has decided that maybe the system is not so foolproof.
    I'm sorry for this girl BUT there is no way that Parelli ever said to do that at all. Parelli's first thing is safety and if anyone has studied the program will know that. It was HER choice to go bareback, bridleless, and helmetless. I'm sure we ALL agree, wearing a helmet is a personal choice. I know there are many here that do not ride with a helmet on and I'm sure there is just as many that do. It's a personal choice in that matter, now let's NOT bring that into the subject.
    It was her own stupidity to tie the horse to her leg....in no way does Parelli recommend this or even mention it (even if you use words against them like changing the meaning). She in turn was doing something stupid on her own free will, and because it was her choice to act like a show off and did things that were just totally stupid (was going to add another word there but figured I'd not break the rules ) she kinda asked for it and maybe even deserved it. And it's girls like her that say they "follow" the program but only do to an extend (none of my friends that do Parelli would never do that) that give Parelli a bad name.
    And again, you are basing your opinions on a girl that clearly was not following the program. If she was she would have at least had the savvy not to ride by a busy road then tie her horse to her leg.
    Horses are horses, they will spook. They are just animals. We can help them think more of a partner than a predator, but they are still horses.


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    You don't need to know how to play certain games or do one rein stops as badly as you need to know WHY you should do those things. Most people don't understand the why. They want to just do the how and get angry when it doesn't work
    Kevin, if they can't explain why they are doing something then yes they don't understand the program. My mother is a dressage rider, big bits, rolkur, the whole lot. She doesn't complete but wants to have her horse look as good as the ones competing. I get frowns and murmers all the time when I'm out riding with her or if I'm playing with my horse. I've had to explain every little thing from why do I sit on the ground when my mare goes right brain to why do I ask my gelding for less than what he is offering.
    Yes you NEED to know why you are doing it, not just that you are doing it. Pat realized that not many people actually do know why and when he put out the new level dvds (which are fantastic!! My fiance bought them for me ) he does ALOT of indepth explinations of wht the reasoning is for everything, then if he does something he explains it also.


    As I've said before and Kayty has proved it once again, do NOT base your opinions off of people that do not know the program. That example she gave does not show a Parelli student, it shows me a person that just wants the name of it.
         
        12-08-2009, 11:20 AM
      #283
    Started
    Its crap. Spend your money on an actual instructor, who can help you when you need her. Unless of course the parellis are in your cell phone. Id rather learn how to teach a horse, rather then follow step by step instructions. They mass market it to everyone, some of these people have no idea the front of a horse from its butt.
         
        12-08-2009, 11:31 AM
      #284
    Banned
    Silly question for the people that say the circle game and lunging are two very different things.

    If you are at an event that says no lunging do you think that applies to your circle game too?
         
        12-08-2009, 11:51 AM
      #285
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Silly question for the people that say the circle game and lunging are two very different things.

    If you are at an event that says no lunging do you think that applies to your circle game too?
    I never said it did not look similiar but the concepts and the actual process is totally different.


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    Its crap. Spend your money on an actual instructor, who can help you when you need her. Unless of course the parellis are in your cell phone. Id rather learn how to teach a horse, rather then follow step by step instructions. They mass market it to everyone, some of these people have no idea the front of a horse from its butt.
    And that really shows how much you know. Parelli is not step by step instructors, please stop basing your "arguements" on untrue things, maybe try researching it before you say it's crap or not

    Oh so some Parelli people have no idea which is the front and which is the butt? You just grasping for ideas now?

    Honestly this does nothing but show ignorance on your part
         
        12-08-2009, 11:58 AM
      #286
    Started
    *stands up and applaudes* Your posts are amazing SavvyHearts!!

    It's really telling from someone's posts how LITTLE they actually know about the program. They'd like to think they know everything about the program, but they are sadly mistaken.
         
        12-08-2009, 12:00 PM
      #287
    Trained
    Its just like a lot of you guys in the CA thread =P

    Not being open minded to something you don't have a lot of knowledge of
         
        12-08-2009, 12:03 PM
      #288
    Started
    If you were referring to me, I do have knowledge of his program ;) I don't bash things I know nothing about, like some people.
         
        12-08-2009, 12:04 PM
      #289
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
    I never said it did not look similiar but the concepts and the actual process is totally different.
    I do not think that answers my question.
         
        12-08-2009, 12:08 PM
      #290
    Trained
    My big problem with parelli is the whole helmet thing...but that's totally off topic

    If he came to do a clinic near me & it was free I would go watch.

    & spirithorse, don't mean to single you out, but you responded...you do seem very close minded to me
         

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