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post #41 of 292 Old 09-18-2009, 12:13 AM
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I had my general opinions about Parelli....mostly same crap different marketing. THEN I heard about his facilities.. that people pay $5-$6k for some of his clinics and their horses stay in like 15x15, 2 railed outdoor pens WITH NO ROOF on the side of a hill..so basically 50 horses are standing in pens with crap up to their knees possibly being picked on by 5 other horses and you have to carry water buckets to your horse! THAT IS BS!

They charge how much for all their crapand they can't even put a roof over their horse's heads? Apparently, parelli's horses have a nice private barn but the people that pay them thousands and thousands of dollar get S***!

NO respect for them at all...

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post #42 of 292 Old 09-18-2009, 02:26 AM
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Pat is an amazing horseman. If you deny that, you are blind. Enough said.
Yup, i'm sure he is. ANd i'm sure that is the reason HE has so much success with horses.

His devotees? The bulk (Not you Spirit, I know you have acheived good things) are NOT good horsemen, and use Parelli to try and make up for it.

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post #43 of 292 Old 09-18-2009, 11:58 AM
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Speaking of which, did anyone else read their reasoning behind why they don't use helmets?

A person asked why none of them wore helmets and here was the reply:


Thank you for taking the time to write us. We understand your views and
Concerns. As quoted by the faculty at our ranch:
“You are quite right – helmets are fabulous things and they save many lives. Tragically
Though, people who ARE wearing helmets also die or suffer serious
Head injuries in accidents with horses.
Our program is intended to address the safety problem at its root – which is
Behavioral – rather than address the symptoms of it. Our message is about
Developing the relationship with the horse, and the savvy level of the rider,
So that unsafe behavior is addressed long before the rider gets on the horse -
Rather than allowing the unsafe situations to continue to occur and hope that
The helmet, body protector, etc, will protect us from the consequences.
The reason you do not see our people wearing helmets is because we try to teach people
That rather than be brave because they are wearing a a helmet to protect
Them, they would be better off not riding until their horse is behaving safely.
People have called us brave for not wearing helmets, but we say they are a lot
Braver than we are. We would not get on their horse until we had addressed the
Issues that cause it to behave in unsafe ways.
We hope this helps,
From the Faculty, Parelli Centers



What a load of crap.
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post #44 of 292 Old 09-18-2009, 12:14 PM
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All I'm saying is that it is NOT the only way, and it is NOT for every horse and every person. It can't be.
I am also saying that if you don't explore more training options than just this one technique (or just any ONE theory) then you are severely limiting yourself as a horseperson.
Exactly.

Not every horse and not every person can learn the exact same way.

Some kids can learn to drive with dad yelling at them, some can't. Some women need a female doctor, some don't.

And has far as being brilliant? I disagree. If he indeed was that brilliant, there would not be so much controversy over his programs.

Oh and PS - some of those folks you mentioned have since backed away from the program.
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post #45 of 292 Old 09-18-2009, 08:34 PM
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Speaking of which, did anyone else read their reasoning behind why they don't use helmets?

A person asked why none of them wore helmets and here was the reply:


Thank you for taking the time to write us. We understand your views and
Concerns. As quoted by the faculty at our ranch:
“You are quite right – helmets are fabulous things and they save many lives. Tragically
Though, people who ARE wearing helmets also die or suffer serious
Head injuries in accidents with horses.
Our program is intended to address the safety problem at its root – which is
Behavioral – rather than address the symptoms of it. Our message is about
Developing the relationship with the horse, and the savvy level of the rider,
So that unsafe behavior is addressed long before the rider gets on the horse -
Rather than allowing the unsafe situations to continue to occur and hope that
The helmet, body protector, etc, will protect us from the consequences.
The reason you do not see our people wearing helmets is because we try to teach people
That rather than be brave because they are wearing a a helmet to protect
Them, they would be better off not riding until their horse is behaving safely.
People have called us brave for not wearing helmets, but we say they are a lot
Braver than we are. We would not get on their horse until we had addressed the
Issues that cause it to behave in unsafe ways.
We hope this helps,
From the Faculty, Parelli Centers



What a load of crap.
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^^ Wow, people have way too much time on their hands.....and that's all I will say regarding the people who do that blog.
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post #47 of 292 Old 09-18-2009, 08:40 PM
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If that is the Parelli stance, I have honestly lost any shred of respect I have left for them.

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I don't like the Parrelli methods but I don't believe a word of the story nor the reply.
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A fairly well know poster from COTH emailed them back

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I frequent an online horse bulletin board and came across a very bothersome thread discussing an alleged letter that was sent from you. Can you please verify whether or not this is true? Thank you.

http://www.ultimatedressage.co.....p?t=168991

Sincerely,

Trish

She got an email back


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"Thank you for contacting us. Yes, that is our position with helmets!

Naturally,
Stacey
Parelli Team"


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They aren't saying "Don't ride with a helmet" they are just saying that addressing behavioral issues BEFORE you get on greatly reduces any chance of getting bucked off, run off with, and a lot of other things that can get you hurt. Obviously horses spook, they know that as much as any other horse person. And they aren't saying that people who ride with helmets are wimps or anything like that. That's their opinion, they are allowed it, and anyone with half a brain would realize that just because Linda jumps without a helmet does not mean she is advocating it or that they should do it simply because she does.
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Personally, I took that as "Helmets are used for untrained horses. We have trained, safe horses, so we will not need helmets".
Which is... ridiculous. It sounds like you are supposed to trust your horse not so spook and break your skull.
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Spirithorse, it would be greatly appreciated if your responses were not accusatory or degrading. ("Anyone with half a brain..." well.. not really... that is up to interpretation, isn't it?)

In my opinion, the Parelli family are greatly influential people in the horse community, as much as I may not like it. It is stuff like this that makes me very mad.
Why not try to save a few lives and condone the use of helmets?

ANY horse can spook, ANY rider CAN die from head trauma.

Saying that having a well-trained horse will reduce that risk is true, but it still will NOT stop a bee from stinging the horse and the horse responding out of pain, the horse zigging and you zagging, or any number of other scenerios.
The fact that the Parellis' stance is "your horse isn't trained well enough if you have to worry" is scary.


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