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post #21 of 339 Old 07-13-2010, 07:42 PM
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Seriously. Sometimes you can't be all rainbows and butterflies, but in a public showing? C'mon. And I'm with the others, was this even a last resort??

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post #22 of 339 Old 07-13-2010, 07:46 PM
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Scout, my horse was terrified after the intranasal injection I was stupid enough to let the vet to give without sedation. Up to the point vet couldn't come close at all. I ended up calling another vet, who also couldn't handle her at first. But he told me he uses twitching and have no problem with it, but he'd never NEVER use it on her. Because she's terrified and it'll make things much worse. He ended up moving her butt around for half-hour and voila he was able to give the shots. And he's not a BNT. But still can handle a bad situation.
exactly, when my horse had colic, the vet had to stick his arm where the sun dont shine
so they twitched him just to be sure, you would hate to have your arm up an uncontrolable horses butt. lol. but my horse was calm and sedated, so it was the right time and place for it, when a hrose is scared or acting up, that is NOT the right time.

There is absalutly NO excuse for losing your temper at a horse. When i was little i did... i learned how forgiving these animals really are, it makes me cry just to think about it, because i yanked on the hrses mouth because he wasnt putting his head 'pretty like all the other hroses' if i had one wish, it would be that that never happened and i handled it in a different way.


I also would LOVE to see where this goes...especially because i have bridled and touched the ears of an extremely head shy horse... all with a little patience and a little pressure on the halter to let her know what to do. good job Pat, a teenage girl taught a horse to do something better then you. and thousands of others have too. im impressed.

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i am not opposed to using a bit of force occasionally on a horse if the behavior warrants it (and a scared horse never warrants punishment anyway, correction yes, punishment no), so long as it is done only as much as needed and never out of anger. My biggest problem with the whole thing is how big of hypocrites the parellis are. They preach about using understanding and love to communicate with your horse and never ever use force and most of the kook-aid (not a typo) drinkers run around spouting off that you can train any horse to do anything you want without ever having to bump the halter or pop him with the lead rope and then you see crap like this. If you're gonna be harsh occasionally, fine, just don't go around thumping your own bible and then publicly violate every one of your ten commandments.
well said!!!!:d

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Seriously. Sometimes you can't be all rainbows and butterflies, but in a public showing? C'mon. And I'm with the others, was this even a last resort??
A public showing, especially one designed to exhibit what the "Parelli Ideals" achieve in an ingrained problem, I would expect far more tact. Love, language, and leadership indeed. :roll:

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I try not to watch anything Parelli. I dont agree with the training methods used and I think its all smoke and mirrors anyways. Thats just my crazy conspiracy theory though. No need to get into my psychosis!

The video with linda is appauling. I was floored that anyone would let her treat an animal that way. Granted, she more harrassed him than hurt him...it was still really horrible to watch. After 2 mintues of that lead rope flipping around...wouldnt you try another approach?

The PP-Catwalk video, if you can call it that, is a true shame. All that leadership crap and he can't even grant a scared horse some patience? They say to go at *any* problem like you have alllll day to solve it and it usually takes just a few minutes. He snatched up that horse like he had a hot date in 20 minutes. Who knows, maybe he did. I heard accounts of this video before I saw it and it was pretty terrible. They said that linda flung herself out of her chair and ran over to help him hold the horse. I guess the whole thing ended with him laying the horse down and forcing the bridle on. At that point, not too many people were left in the crowd. I guess they weren't impressed.
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What is the point in posting this video? You show a 2 minute video and I am suppose to come up with a conclusion about Parelli and his techniques? Give me a break.

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I still cannot figure out what linda was trying to do with that horse! Imagine how confused the horse was! Linda is lucky that horse is quiet.

Madiera: We're not asking you to assess parelli's techniques as a whole, we're just pointing out that he is hypocritical in this video (love language leadership blah blah) and it causes us to wonder what happens behind closed doors.

I don't think tying a horse's leg is the right language to use here.

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What is the point in posting this video? You show a 2 minute video and I am suppose to come up with a conclusion about Parelli and his techniques? Give me a break.
Thats not the point, Its just Parelli alsways brags about his techniques and everything... well, it kinda shows here its all smoke and mirrors (as someone else said!)
Its just sharing interesting equine news.

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OKAY. QUESTION OF THE DECADE:

Why the HECK would a 'professional' send off his own **** horse? -facepalm-

And doesn't his difficulty to bridle warrant some thought as to WHY this horse is this way? And WHY Robert would be OKAY with seeing his horse so badly treated - IF it was poorly treated. I'm not going to judge someone or something in under two minutes. That's foolish.

Setting times on training is idiocy. "Yep, I'll have him ready to go in thirty days!" Or even worse "LOL We'll have your headshy horse ready to bridle in TWO HOURS and you'll be set for life!" Head shyness is so touch and go, and it's curable, but it takes a lot of long, patient work. Not two hours worth.

I just don't get it, I guess why someone would try to put a horse through that - whether it's Pat Parelli, John Lyons, Clinton Anderson or any other money-stuffed BNT.

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Did you read the article scoutrider posted? It has more information about what happened.

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