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    08-19-2011, 10:28 PM
For PNH students: LBI on the trail!

A horseperson told me today how her horse decided to go no further on the trail, & how she both yelled at him & spurred him to cause him to proceed. (Others make their horses work like dogs so that the horse finds it easier to proceed). "Anyone can make a horse do something, but can you cause your horse to WANT to?" sprang to mind, yet the answer of how to do that on the trail eludes me! Spirithorse, or any PNH student, please give me the savvy solution!

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    08-19-2011, 11:01 PM
Move the hindquarters
    08-20-2011, 12:43 AM
Northern, what is LBI? Never heard the abbreviation.

If it's REALLY tough for my paint to go through something I just get off and walk her through several times back and forth. Much easier than fight. She ALWAYS wants to follow me. Then I get on and ride through several times and yes, she looks proud of herself and wants to go through. But then I'm not a NH practitioner/student.
    08-20-2011, 01:45 AM
I work mine when they freeze up. It isn't about working them "like dogs" so they find it easier to proceed, it's about getting their mind focused back on you and your cues and away from whatever scary monster or stubborn behavior made them stop and refuse. Small circles, leg yields, disengaging the hindquarters, suppling the neck, etc, etc. Every bit of that is about getting the horse's mind right, where he is willing to listen.
    08-20-2011, 04:12 AM
I believe LGI means Left Brain Introvert. But I don't know how that translates to a horse's personality and how that ties in to a horse that won't go forward on the trail.
    08-20-2011, 04:33 AM
LBI means left-brain introvert, & no offense folks, but I'm only interested to know how PP students would deal with this, as is clear by my title & op. At least I think that I can ask a question only of PP students on the NH forum; if it's against the rules, please let me know! Thanks!

Also, it'd help me if a PP student confirmed that fact: "PP student here", would do. Thanks!
    08-20-2011, 04:48 AM
A parelli professional friend of mine says the same thing smrobs said.
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    08-20-2011, 07:48 AM
Northern-no offense, but I do some PP, as well as just good common sense horsemanship without all the "savvy" lingo. I HAVE an LBI, and what works for him is good common sense, same as any other horse. Make the right thing easy. That means that he gets worked, any way possible, until he decides that going forward is the "way out", and the easiest thing to do. I do know that Christopher is somewhat right-when my guy gets "stuck" disengaging his HQ is about the ONLY thing that I can do to free him up again.

Personally, I feel it is a mistake to close your mind to anything or any one other than a "PP student". If it really is that closed you are missing a lot, and should probably post this on a PP forum, not here.

Open your mind, you might actually learn something!
    08-20-2011, 08:15 AM
In fairness to Northern he did ask for the 'Parelli' solution, and post it in the NH sub section. Therefore whether one agrees with the method or not, or whether one might have other advice, the OP was asking for the PP solution. If one is trying to learn and understand a particular system then deviating from that can cause confusion.

In terms of the PP method, Parelli do not advocate working the LBI horse. The LBI horse as they see it is the type that will fight you back and resist, so then it becomes a battle of wills etc and likely result in issues being displaced elsewhere. (as demonstrated by kibking spurring etc not working in comparison with the effect that would have on a LBE or RBI)

They would focus on using reverse physchology with the horse, or motivation.

For example, I can imagine them slowly backing up the horse, so that after release if it doesnt want to it will then try to go forwards. Alternatively asking for one foot at a time but laterally. Rocking.
    08-20-2011, 08:30 AM
I have a LBI mare who is the ultimate trail horse as long as you are heading towards home. I shant comment on the op's question as I don't consider myself to be a student of PNH.

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