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    08-20-2011, 09:52 AM
  #11
Trained
Making the right thing wasy would mean making it more attractive to go forward. Or, as my PNH instructor has told me-open the door. So yes, backing up MAY work, but I can tell you that Io would have to disengage him to even get him to do that.
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    08-20-2011, 10:56 AM
  #12
Doe
Weanling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Making the right thing wasy would mean making it more attractive to go forward. Or, as my PNH instructor has told me-open the door. So yes, backing up MAY work, but I can tell you that Io would have to disengage him to even get him to do that.
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I'm not disagreeing Frankbeans. However 'making the wrong thing hard and the right thing easy' is one of those commonly overused and often abused cliches.

Make the right thing easy I totally agree with. However it is HOW and what one considers as making it easy that matters.
     
    08-20-2011, 11:12 AM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by Doe    
I'm not disagreeing Frankbeans. However 'making the wrong thing hard and the right thing easy' is one of those commonly overused and often abused cliches.

Make the right thing easy I totally agree with. However it is HOW and what one considers as making it easy that matters.
Sorry you feel that way, since it does work, and for me it is simple, easy to remember, and helps. I do not speak in Parelli language, but do speak in terms many people can understand.

Thought I was clear, that with my LBI, "making the right thing easy" would be to disengage, do some bending and walking in TIGHT circles just to keep disengaged and when he is listening again, "open the door" to the direction you want the horse to move, which, in this case, would mean forward. By "opening the door", I mean no contact on the horses mouth or head when they are straight. That causes it to be attractive to them to go in that direction. I have even done this in an arena bridleless using the carrot stick for direction of the horses head, which also works as long as they have an NH base and will move away from the suggestion of the stick. (no, I don't touch him with it)

Northern-do you know this horse and know it is LBI? Just curious. They CAN be a challenge!
     
    08-20-2011, 04:03 PM
  #14
Showing
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Personally, I feel it is a mistake to close your mind to anything or any one other than a "PP student".
I don't think it's "closing the mind" (because the op doesn't sound like a call for advise), but rather certain approach to ask about (for whatever reason - statistics or something else). Just my feeling when I read it (I can be wrong).

With that being said non-Parelli students probably will respond too (actually already did, me including ), so OP will have to pick what he needs out of bunch. BTW, it's not against the rules to ask (everyone is free to ask whatever he/she wants), but I doubt people always listen to the request.
     
    08-20-2011, 04:06 PM
  #15
Started
Doe, thanks for defending my right to ask my question of PNH students, for the right reasons!

I also agree with Doe that "make the wrong thing difficult" is an over-used directive. People tend to forget to make the right thing easy, & also the word "make" is in there, which is anti-PNH, as I said at start, "Anyone can make a horse do something, but can you cause your horse to want to?"

On my Levels dvd, Linda tells the story of a LBI who backed 2 miles back to the barn, every time he hit his "that's far enough" point on the trail, & no one could stop him! (this was after they'd succeeded in preventing him from turning tail - lol!) Doe is right that LBI's require psychology since force won't work on them. So my question was, how to do that when the "Make me!" arises on the trail, from the PNH teaching.

A connected question: Even LBI's follow the lead horse, along with the rest of the herd, so what's the motivator that the lead horse uses on them, when they say, "Make me!"?
     
    08-20-2011, 04:18 PM
  #16
Trained
Guess, even tho I AM a PNH "student", because I also use other techniques, and am not a PP "purist" like you all, you choose to not read and comprehend what I am saying. Have fun on the trail, and good luck with that LBI.
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    08-20-2011, 06:16 PM
  #17
Doe
Weanling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Guess, even tho I AM a PNH "student", because I also use other techniques, and am not a PP "purist" like you all, you choose to not read and comprehend what I am saying. Have fun on the trail, and good luck with that LBI.
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Ok take a chill pill. I don't see the problem. The OP was quite specific. He asked how PNH would deal with the LBI horse. NOT Craig Cameron, NOT Alexander Nevzorov, NOT Mark Todd, not Franknbeans. I do not use PNH methods, however I respect the OPs question and try to answer the question they asked, not the one I want to answer.

Such responses just demonstrate that the OP certainly should have gone to a PP forum rather than here. Which is a shame.

As for making the right thing easy;

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Thought I was clear, that with my LBI, "making the right thing easy" would be to disengage, do some bending and walking in TIGHT circles just to keep disengaged and when he is listening again, "open the door" to the direction you want the horse to move, which, in this case, would mean forward.
That's exactly my point. That is NOT making it easy. That is just pressure and release. There's a whole world of difference.
     
    08-20-2011, 06:24 PM
  #18
Showing
:roll: Never mind, decided to not post my thoughts.
     
    08-20-2011, 07:59 PM
  #19
Started
Thanks again, Doe, for your standing up for my simple question.

Maybe spirithorse'll show up & answer how PNH motivates the LBI on trail.

As Doe said, seems to me that working the horse like mad if he won't proceed, then releasing him to a nice easy time through the "open door" is just pressure & release, but I repeat myself! The horse "wants to" in the negative sense of "it's easier/too much work to stay here", rather than "wants to" in the positive sense: it's fun/interesting/conducive to his welfare to proceed.

Perhaps there's a deep problem that the LBI is showing us: he doesn't find meaning in proceeding down the trail just because we want to take a ride. He'd find meaning in proceeding down the trail if it were a matter of survival, if he was mutually dependent with his rider, as the cowboys were.
     
    08-20-2011, 08:06 PM
  #20
Foal
Your LBI (Left Brain Introvert) is either having an RB moment (I have an LBI that only does this every now and then on the trail) and has reached a thresh hold which you need to help him pass by doing some ground work in that area and just work through it, you are partners you need to show him that its okay.

Or he is asking you "What's in it for me?" What is in it for him to go on a long trail ride? What does HE get out of this or is it just because you like to do trails?

Or is he trying to tell you that, "Hey you know trail rides are boring we do the same ones and the same things every-time!" Remember that LBI's get bored very VERY quickly how are you making the trail interesting how are you making it different, new, and exciting for him?

Just some questions I thought I would ask. :)
     

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