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  • How often should i do clinton anderson roundpenning
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    05-04-2012, 06:30 PM
  #21
Weanling
You begin groundwork without tools and extensions, they are unnecessary and are often an impediment. That is what I was hoping to convey. Understanding the horse's language is the foundation and tools are not needed for that, they come second.

With a completely feral horse, the use of an extension is sometimes helpful but in the wrong hands a disaster.
     
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    05-04-2012, 07:55 PM
  #22
Trained
What is a round pen, if not a tool? What is a lead rope?

BTW - how many horses have you trained? If a horse runs thru your space, what body language do you use?

My mare's body language toward other horses includes teeth and hooves. She won't hesitate to draw blood. Maybe she needs a natural horsemanship class so she can run her herd naturally, IAW how horses behave in the wild...
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    05-05-2012, 01:38 AM
  #23
Foal
If you have seen this months DVD fromCA on bucking, then I would reccomend watching it again, or getting it and watching it. He says it time after time. Keep on with the method, you don't have to ride all the time but be consistent with the method and at least an hour a day 6 days a week.
And you don't have to spend your time in the roundpen, but sounds to me like you need to be further away from this horse and move her feet BIG time. Best of luck!!
     
    05-05-2012, 07:03 PM
  #24
Trained
Let me begin by saying I have a pretty good handle as to how to work out problems in horses. HOWEVER, I do not know everything, and I am always always ALWAYS willing to look at new things, however I don't want this thread to turn into yet another debate over abuse, which methods are abusive, which trainers are abusive, etc...Can we please not and just agree to disagree? These debates give me migraines.
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    05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
  #25
Showing
You might find it to your benefit to back up what you are asking of her. If you are lunging her daily, she's likely sick of it. Let's try asking her to walk in a circle with just you encouraging her to do so with reduced energy. Use your whip to block her from turning toward you and encourage her on with clicking and maybe jiggling your whip. When she has completed one circle, give her a rub and ask for a single circle the other way. Try to keep it low key. When she does it, stop lunging her. That is a huge reward for her in it leaves a positive impression. Maybe even give her a treat. Much is often learned in very short lessons. Just work on improving her circles at the walk and don't ask for a trot for at least 5 walk sessions. When she does trot, she may go only a few strides and that's ok. She did as you asked. Just allow her to walk then encourage her to trot. The idea is to soften her attitude and not work it into a confrontation.
     
    05-09-2012, 10:58 PM
  #26
Foal
I practice strictly clinton anderson and know his program well. Someone else gave you great advice. Get her in a round pen. Work her butt and release pressure at the slightest try. If she's pinning her ears, she works harder. She is flipping you off! I would NOT ride until she is respecting you. And you really need to draw her in to you and let her rest and catch her air with YOU. Rub her all over and make a big deal of it while she's resting. She will associate rest with YOU and rest is a good thing for a horse. She will start respecting you as her leader. You can't get this done without the round pen. If you really like clinton's method then for 20 bucks a month you can join his club and have access to TV shows and DVDs plus a wealth of knowledge from the members there. Some of them are professional trainers. Good luck!
     
    05-09-2012, 11:43 PM
  #27
Trained
We already have the no worries club. I will be doing the join up with her tomorrow, when she FINALLY gets to get off the trails and go back to the barn. Thanks.
     
    05-20-2012, 01:23 PM
  #28
Foal
Maybe an idea - my horse used to have the same kind of reactions as yours does. Not as violent, but he definitely wasn't happy with me chasing him around. Natural horsemanship is a broad term - and it doesn't have any 'rules' on the aggressiveness you are allowed to use for it to be called natural horsemanship. No, you might not actually hurt your horse, but does your horse know that?

A dominant horse's instinct is to fight when threathened. You, when chasing her around, are threathening her. Can you blame her for protesting? The change in my horse came around when I realised this - my horse doesn't want me to push him. Even if not with pain, it can still be pushing. We switched from pushes to quiet communication, and the confidence of my horse has jumped sky-high compared to what it was at first. We don't work anymore, we play. So my advise to you is, don't work your horse to death. Don't make her run just because. Start listening to her and do simple exercises with her that require quiet but specific cues (like backing up between something narrow). If she fights, you are not going to stand down, you will simply ask her, and I mean ask her, until she gives you one more step, and that's the end of your session. If you want her to loose some energy, start teaching her voice commands and body language, and do it loose without line. Your cue will be a turned shoulder instead of stepping in front of her and simply blocking her way. Both will get the message accross, but with the first you are talking and asking, and not saying. Same goes for riding. A communicating horse doesn't fight.

For a little example - my horse often has the tendency to stand stock still when something scary was around (and at first bolt too). He learned to trust me enough to stay with me, but he would still stand still. I got a Monty Roberts Dually halter, and learned to keep steady pressure until the horse complies. This might work in this halter because of the constriction, but in a rope halter, you are just doing a tugging war. I kept having this problem with my horse until I realised - me not pulling on him is not giving up/releasing. Instead, I jiggle the rope, tug it, use my voice and click my tongue and am insistent until he comes with me, then completely quit it all and tell him he's a good boy. Consistently doing this has made him almost stop just stopping like that, if he does, it will only take a bit for him to come with me, and besides he is more responsive to little tug meant as walk faster. Same thing with something scary - tell him to go, he'll say NO and turn, ask him to do it step for step, slowly and quietly, and he'll finally say okay, I'll go, and see it's not so bad.

There's absolutely nothing wrong about respect work, but don't try to push your horse into respecting you. Show them you are quiet, dependent and consistent, and they will realise it all by themselves that you are a good person/horse to follow.

Another something to think of - getting in an argument with your horse and winning it might give you the victory for the moment, but think of what it does for your relationship in the long run. Would you trust and choose to follow someone who only told you what to do and do it now, and fight with you if you won't?
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    05-26-2012, 10:46 PM
  #29
Foal
Hi SorrelHorse, your mare sounds just like my gelding in being "hot" and high energy. My trainer uses the natural horsemanship that Clinton teaches and she has gotten him to calm down by using the round pen almost exclusively. Working with him every day needed to be done to gain his respect and trust. She tells me he is finally listening to her. He was broke cowboy style and it ruined him, my fault. Now he's 5 and my trainer has done miracles with him using Clinton Andersons methods.
     
    05-26-2012, 10:58 PM
  #30
Yearling
My advice to you would be to stop riding her and just do solid groundwork. You will find that when you step back into the saddle again, she will be a completely different horse, IF you follow the method and don't cut corners. Believe me, it's worth it!!
When you are lunging her, how many circles do you make her go? Also, how fast are you making her do them? Remember: the more times you change direction, the better she will be. When she is backing up, rearing, etc, I would just stick with her and keep asking her to move out. When she kicks or strikes out at you, back her up or pop her in the butt HARD to get her to move her back end away or back her up IMMEDIATELY, and then politely ask her to go again. Also, switch it up a lot. It will get kind of tedious. Do both desensitizing AND sensitizing.
I love Clinton's method. I am very open to new ideas, but, I tend to stick with him for the most part. When it comes to the barrels, I always look for Sherry first because I know that she practices Clinton's method. Best of luck with her!
     

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