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post #11 of 18 Old 09-09-2009, 02:46 PM
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It's not the tool, it's the emotion and attitude behind it. I've never seen a person in all my years smack a horse with their hand and not act like a predator about it. The attitude is where the difference is.
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post #12 of 18 Old 09-09-2009, 04:54 PM
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If you get the info from whatever clinician then it's pretty reliable and pure but if you get it from a wanna be horse trainer that watched the videos once then it can get pretty muddled. I have seen people on this forum that couldn't get thier horse to move into a trot in a round pen and didn't know what to do. Well, if the boss horse wants a horse to move and it won't eventually it resorts to taking a chunk out of it's butt. So use your $40 stick and get some movement from your horse but instead they just wack the ground and wave thier stick at the horse. I wish there was another term besides "natural". Horsemanship is not natural for people or horses. It requires a lot of thought and a tremedous amount of work. The only "natural" interaction between horses and people occurs when the horse is medium rare.

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post #13 of 18 Old 09-09-2009, 04:58 PM
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What does BNNHT stand for?
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post #14 of 18 Old 09-09-2009, 05:24 PM
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Calamity Jane,
You just did a great job explaining the concept!

I can only add that the longer that you approach the behavioral problems presented by various horse,then the easier it is to solve the problems WITHOUT force.
It becomes a theme in the way you choose to approach the horse and I found that I can get the same things done in a soft manner.

You set the horse up for success and then you guide them through the challenge at hand.

The smacking,slapping and hitting are just not needed.

The idea does not belong to PP or CA or anyone else and can be used by anyone that cares to get involved.
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post #15 of 18 Old 09-09-2009, 05:36 PM
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I would not consider myself an "NH'er", but I will respond anyway. Yes, a horse does begin its relationship with the prey/predator barrier. However, that is just what it is, a barrier. A barrier can be broken, and once it is it is no longer that barrier, but rather a pecking order issue. I have recently been working with one horse that was extremely fearful of people. After several session, the horse began relaxing and approaching me. He was happy to see me. The first thing he did when he realized I wasn't going to eat him was test me. He went immediately from fear of the human to trying to push on my personal space. I set the boundary, and he was fine with me being the herd leader. So yes, we are naturally predators, but that can be overcome, and then the next issue is what we address, where we stand in the herd. I have seen my horse protect my old black lab from other dogs on more than one occasion. A prey animal taking on a predator to save another predator? I guess no one ever showed him the rule book! That horse and that dog went on hours of rides together, they formed a relationship.

Then there is the ever controversial question of smacking a horse. This could be taken in several ways. Like CJ stated, it could be a reaction. If I have one of my horses bite me, then I obviously haven't shown myself to have the leadership skills to let the horse know its not acceptable. I do seem to remember a post about PP smacking spirithorses's horse on the butt to get him to move out and increase drive. I have no problem with this at all. But this does go to show that you can't say that all contact like that is bad. Once you have passed through the prey predator barrier, it is sometimes necessary to establish your place as herd leader "biting" that horse on the butt.

There is no one way that is perfect. A good leader is adaptable, which is going to transfer into doing what the horse needs even if it does deviate from the original plan.
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post #16 of 18 Old 09-16-2009, 02:04 PM
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Hey There, I don't know if I can offer anything insightful or constructive in this discussion, however I will try my best (I'm new tehee)

Well I find the hitting argument causes more problems then it solves. I don't follow a particular way of training, and I currently am not a fan of the parellis. This is due to the expensive prices, Pat riding with hackamores ect. I mean if they wanted (as they say) to create a more harmonious way of interacting with the horse, and "save it" from all the mean was of riding and training like hyperflexion and all that business. Then why don't they make there training techniques and/or equipment more widely available to even those who arent as financially secure. Personally I see it (at the moment anyway) to be a big money making scheme (part of it at least).

And with in response to the hitting thing.. im sorry i didn't read it fully there was a lot to read o.O. I have trained a couple of horses now, including a stallion and a Ferrel abused pony and I have never hit one of them. Making horses scared or forced into doing things is no way to go about doing it, whereas changing the way you stand and hold yourself around your horse, invites them to become more conversational towards you. Also taking yourself down to there level and behaving similarly to them will intrigue them and also give them the right to say when enough is enough. Truly and honestly this is what i believe NH to be about.

Hope this was insightful, if not then ah well not to bad for my first post ^^
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post #17 of 18 Old 09-16-2009, 02:11 PM
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Why do you have a problem with hackamores?
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post #18 of 18 Old 09-16-2009, 02:17 PM
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Its not a problem as such, I mean i don't like using bits altogether and when i do need to use them it'll be safety issues or preferred by the horse owner. I just like the horse to be able to express its self and not to be restricted.... sorry if it sounds like i have a problem against hackamores.
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