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        10-07-2013, 09:45 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    1) I got my first horse age 14. Rode a neighbors before that. Learned how to work for I wanted, and the responsibility that comes with owning a horse. Also learned how dishonest and devious some people can be.
    2)Any animal can be studied to learn about nature. I don't consider any animal A Portal to nature.
    3)I let my horses be horses. I prefer to let them work out heirarchy in the pastures. I don't beat them, or tie thier heads up or leave them tied up all day. If they are disrespectful they get a whack.
    4) I am boss. They are large pets.
    5) I was taught the what is now called NH way back . IT was called horse training. Not to the level that the 'stars' do it.
    6) n/a ... people go overboard.
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        10-08-2013, 01:14 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    1. Do you feel horses have influenced who you are? If so, how?

    I would say yes, absolutely. Horses have taught me respect and patience, in a way that I don't think any human could have. They have taught me that it's important to work hard for what you want.
    I think that every choice people make changes who they are, and where they are headed in life. How choosing to invest yourself in horses, as opposed to something else, wouldn't change you is beyond me.

    2. “Horses are a portal into nature.” Do you agree with this statement? Why /why not?

    I disagree. Horses are domesticated animals. Therefore, they aren't portals into nature anymore than cats or dogs are. I'm curious as to where this quote came from, and the basis from which it was derived.

    3. How would you describe your way of working with your horse(s)?

    Oh man, this is a tough one. Maybe a little demanding? I require perfection. But also loving. I spoil my horses. Good behavior is rewarded, bad behavior is not accepted.

    4. How would you describe your relationship with your horse(s)?

    Amazing. I always joke that I want to marry a human version of my gelding. XD He is my life, and I love him more than anything <3 And he loves me, too~

    5. If you come from a ‘traditional’ background and you identify yourself with ‘natural horsemanship’, could you explain why you made the switch and if it has changed your relationship with your horse, how you perceived this change.

    I come from a Hunter/Jumper background. I started riding H/J when I was seven, and have not stopped for the past fourteen years. I have never been involved in Natural Horsemanship. Honestly, I've seen too many crazies to ever be involved with it.

    6. If you identify as being part of the natural horsemanship community; has being part of this larger community influenced you in anyway?

    I don't.
         
        10-08-2013, 01:47 AM
      #23
    Trained
    I will PM these to you too, but I will post them here first for the thread's sake :)

    1. Do you feel horses have influenced who you are? If so, how?

    Yes. Horses give me strength. My heart horse, Leana Little (Selena) is a reflection of myself. Every day she and other horses I work with teach me new things and lessons. I may be the ones training them, but they are teaching me. I am confident because of them and I truly, honestly believe I would have been suicidal without them. Selena has helped me through issues of self harm and depression.

    2. “Horses are a portal into nature.” Do you agree with this statement? Why /why not?

    I suppose so. I don't have anything inspirational or beautifully written to add right now though. I think it's just their raw power and beauty; And so much elegance yet that danger aspect that encompasses mother nature.

    3. How would you describe your way of working with your horse(s)?

    Dominant and assertive. I go in as the herd leader and nothing else. I am firm but fair. I do love and pet on my horses, do the whole baby-talk thing, but as soon as they stop playing nice I become very, very scary. Just like a lead mare in a herd.

    4. How would you describe your relationship with your horse(s)?


    We have a strong partnership. I refuse to use the word "bond". It's not sunshine and rainbows and unicorns...It's a herd order. I feed, care for, and protect them and in exchange they go to work with me every day. They find joy in having a job, that's what the modern horse is bred for after all. I call them in every day with some grain in hand and they come happily. Sure we have our fights but our relationship is just like a mother and child; Either joyful, loving, and playful or with a lot of temper tantrums and fighting.

    5. If you come from a ‘traditional’ background and you identify yourself with ‘natural horsemanship’, could you explain why you made the switch and if it has changed your relationship with your horse, how you perceived this change.

    I identify myself as a natural horsemen to a certain extent. I do natural herd dynamics. Like I said, the real life scenario with horse sin a herd is NOT pretty. The lead mare is, to put it frankly, head bitch. The studs fight for dominance all the time. I have to live up to that. Like I said before, I am firm but fair, and I am the leader. That is how it is done in the wild, in the "natural" setting. I don't believe in identifying with labels, however.

    6. If you identify as being part of the natural horsemanship community; has being part of this larger community influenced you in anyway?

    I'm not sure I understand this question. I was born into the horse community, and while I never really "belonged" to a specific horse sport until recently, I had the opportunity to grow up trying lots of different things from reining to hunter jumpers. I'm a barrel racer at heart now and I work for a reined cowhorse trainer. All of these things have influenced my perspective; The combo bit I ran my old gelding in on barrels is horrific to a dressage rider, while the time taken to make a dressage horse is considered ridiculous to the cowhorse people. The fact that I use a whip on my barrel horse if she shuts down is frowned upon to reiners, but checking a horse up with about four pieces of string to the bit is considered perfectly fine and necessary. I don't agree withe very method a sport uses, however I have learned to pick and choose what works and makes sense to me to form my own method of horsemanship.
         
        10-08-2013, 07:03 AM
      #24
    Foal
    1. Do you feel horses have influenced who you are? If so, how?

    Absolutely. When I first got into horses as a young kid I was very shy, introverted and not very confident with myself or relationships with other people. I would say horses have molded me into the person I am...the polar opposite of the person I was. Just happy. Horses really saved me through a lot of lost years.

    2. “Horses are a portal into nature.” Do you agree with this statement? Why /why not?

    I would have to say yes actually, coming from a religious standpoint. Not to say that there are no other portals, there are. But there is something beautiful about going out on a trail ride in the mid of fall, with the crisp leaves crunching under your horses hooves. I have had some of my best memories in these circumstances and it forced my heart to worship because of the beautiful surroundings. It's hard to not appreciate nature and it's beauty from the back of your horse.

    3. How would you describe your way of working with your horse(s)?

    Assertive and stubborn but leading with love and softness. My horses are my babies. But when they step out of line I re position myself as leader of the herd in a hurry in whatever way I need to.

    4. How would you describe your relationship with your horse(s)?


    A roller coaster of a partnership. My colt I'm strict with. I still love on him, but I'm very careful when it comes to him always maintaining respect for me and keeping his manners. Strict as necessary. With my oldest..honestly I would say I'm a lot softer on him just because he is older and I've babied him (too much) over the years.

    5. If you come from a ‘traditional’ background and you identify yourself with ‘natural horsemanship’, could you explain why you made the switch and if it has changed your relationship with your horse, how you perceived this change.

    I wouldn't say I fit a certain mold. I'm certainly no NH guru. I learned riding saddleseat and being around saddlebred people... a lot has changed since then. I have ridden a lot of different horses and been around a lot of different horse people. I have learned a lot of good from all those experiences and seen some bad I learned not to repeat.

    6. If you identify as being part of the natural horsemanship community; has being part of this larger community influenced you in anyway?

    I don't.
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        10-08-2013, 01:00 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    You're asking some interesting questions and I for one would be very interested to read the final product of your research!

    1. Do you feel horses have influenced who you are? If so, how?

    Many things that I've learned about myself and about life have come through my association with horses. In fact I give the horse credit for helping me to develop most of what I consider my better qualities as a human being - because of the things I've had to learn in order to become better with them.

    2. “Horses are a portal into nature.” Do you agree with this statement? Why /why not?

    Absolutely. There really is no separation between the two and I believe that in part the role they play in our lives is to afford us this opportunity to bridge the gap between ourselves and nature. In many ancient cultures they had a way of expressing this by thinking of the horse as a carrier and messenger between the two worlds. In a sense spiritual, but also in a real way. By their nature they can awaken some pretty interesting feelings in us from curiosity and inspiration to primal fear! Or another way of saying it might be, because he's closer to his basic nature he draws us closer to ours.

    3. How would you describe your way of working with your horse(s)?

    Always fluid, always changing, hopefully always growing. Ride as if nothing your horse does could be wrong and treat him as if it were impossible to fail. There's beauty in any stage of a horse's development whether he's young, green, older, spoiled or not. So long as you're progressing. So long as he's a little better than he was, so long as he FEELS a little better about things than he did, it is a great victory. Work for the perfection of everything all the time, but not too hard. Ride from your center to the horse's center, outwards. My hands and feet are extremities and if I'm riding well that day are the last things to communicate with my horse rather than the first. When you can bring it all in to the center and ride from there, no one will be able to see what you do. It'll become like a well-kept secret just between the two of you. Become a horseman.

    4. How would you describe your relationship with your horse(s)?

    An aggregate of all the little things we do together which combine to make up the whole picture. Feeding, grooming, trimming their feet, petting, doing groundwork, saddling and riding are all just different aspects of the same thing and are all reflective of one another. My horses are all mirrors, and to see them thrive is an indisputable indicator that I'm doing my job right. And of course, the reverse is also true! At the end of the day though, I hope that we're both friends and partners who work well together.

    5. If you come from a ‘traditional’ background and you identify yourself with ‘natural horsemanship’, could you explain why you made the switch and if it has changed your relationship with your horse, how you perceived this change.

    The term 'natural horsemanship' has many different meanings depending on who you ask. There is a trademarked "Natural Horsemanship" or "Parelli Natural Horsemanship (PNH) that's specific to Pat Parelli and co., but also 'natural horsemanship' is an umbrella term to describe an extremely loose confederation of horsemen and ideas loosely joined by the common bond of having been influenced by Ray Hunt, Tom and Bill Dorrance and their students. If that's not complicated enough, natural horsemanship is also used to describe all of the various packaged and marketed horse training programs and what the RFD-TV clinicians do. So it's not easy to even define what "NH" really means. But that doesn't answer your question.

    For myself, I came from a background working in racing and showing barns which is a very different world. My introduction into 'natural horsemanship' came through an old Clinton Anderson 10-tape VHS set called "Starting Under Saddle" featuring Boomerang (lol) the wild mustang. I was impressed by what Clinton got done with Boomerang and decided that I wanted to be that good myself so I pretty much just started studying and practicing! In the ensuing 10 or so years as my knowledge has grown my interests have broadened to studying other teachers as well as researching my own experiences through different horses and it has certainly changed my relationship with them. I've gone through so many transitions in thinking and perception that today horses aren't even the same animal to me that they were 10 years ago. That's a part that's difficult to put into words, and this answer has gotten long enough anyway. I will say this though about the packaged-for-sale methods like Clinton's - it reminds me of a quote by the 16th century Japanese master swordsman Miyamoto Musashi which goes: "commercialism does nothing to enhance the reality of truth, though it can lead one to the start of the path".

    6. If you identify as being part of the natural horsemanship community; has being part of this larger community influenced you in anyway?


    I personally enjoy the company of different kinds of horse people and don't strictly speaking identify myself with any particular style. Though it's also true to say that from everyone I learn something or am influenced in some way, in any number of ways. It's a way of life and there are certainly worse places to be. =)

    Hey, thanks for the questions. It's so dang fun talking about this stuff I done got carried away!
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        10-14-2013, 07:15 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    1. Do you feel horses have influenced who you are? If so, how?
    Yes, very much so. They have taught me patience and surely removed most of my hot-headed attitude.
    I feel that I am calmer and more relaxed with almost all that life throws at me.

    2. “Horses are a portal into nature.” Do you agree with this statement? Why /why not?
    Horses a portal, no, being domesticated and propagated by humans.
    Horses as a portal for me into nature, most definitely.
    I only ride the trail, the current equestrian facility I embark upon contains about 30,000 acres.

    3. How would you describe your way of working with your horse(s)?
    Fair and consistant. I tend to deal with problems in the been there done that method.
    If we perform the task enough times it sinks in and sticks.
    Sometimes a hefty number of miles can also cure many issues.

    4. How would you describe your relationship with your horse(s)?
    I am herd leader in the field and while on any of my horses.
    I have never hit them, used brute force, or endangered their health.
    I believe they enjoy my company while riding and on the ground.
    They trust my lead when being asked to complete a task.
    They are young agile atheletes and I am cognizant of their health requirements.

    5. If you come from a ‘traditional’ background and you identify yourself with ‘natural horsemanship’,
    could you explain why you made the switch and if it has changed your relationship with your horse,
    how you perceived this change.
    I would say that I come from a more traditional group that includes many old-timers.
    This switch you speak of will most likely never occur.


    6. If you identify as being part of the natural horsemanship community;
    has being part of this larger community influenced you in anyway?
    I do not identify with nor do I wish to be part of a natural horsemanship community.

    Questions 5 & 6 sound a little grey and dismal on my part.
    I am not intrigued by the DVD's and tapes on the market.
    I have viewed some that others have purchased and have found
    That many techniques I have already implemented.
         

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