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        03-08-2009, 09:22 AM
      #1
    Weanling
    Question Is it really what it seems, interested.

    I'm wanting to try the parelli games/ training with my thoroughbred. He has trust with me, but still is shaky about some things, and I just want a good bond with him.
    Anyone whos tried Parelli, could you tell me how it went? And how the outcome of the training turned out?
    Is it really worth what it seems to be?

    thanks!
         
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        03-08-2009, 11:21 AM
      #2
    Started
    I've been doing Parelli for years and it's by far the best and most complete program I've ever tried. My first Levels horse, who just passed away, was spooky, hypersensitive, impulsive, not very trusting, etc. when I got him and through our journey all that went away. Before he went blind I was riding him bridleless, upward and downward transitions and playing in Level 3, Level 4 in some areas. I never imagined I could have a bond with a horse like I had with him. I miss him terribly but he prepared me well for my current Levels horse. He is extremely dominant, very confident and will test you every step of the way. He was 2 trainers, an equine behaviorist and a college's worst nightmare. He was a labeled biter, kicker, man hater and was said to be dangerous, vicious and unprdictable. Everytime someone had him out in the hallway they would put a metal muzzle on him so he couldn't bite anyone and he would charge at people when they entered his stall, so they ended up putting him out in pasture so no one would have to handle him. He was going to be put down if no one took him. I've had him for a year this week and I've done nothing but Parelli with him since I got him home and the changes in this horse are unbelievable. I knew they would be, I'm a huge believer in the program, but even I'm surprised with how far we've come with as challenging of a horse as he is. I play with him at Liberty, ride him bareback, and I can back him up by his chest....that's a HUGE thing for him because when I got him anytime you tried to touch his chest, let alone add pressure to his chest, he would try to bite (he was whipped in the chest when he was "bad" at the trainer's). So a ton of little everyday things turned into huge successes for us. We are playing in Level 2 advanced/3 and Level 4 in one area.

    So yes, Parelli is worth what it seems to be. I think you'd like it if you decide to try it :)
         
        03-08-2009, 04:57 PM
      #3
    Foal
    I've never used Parelli, but it seems similar to what I use. :]

    Let me just say, I love it. It builds complete trust, respect, and bond between horse and rider. My horse wouldn't ever, ever get in a trailer without and hour fight. The natural way (which is a lot of backing up, rewarding, etc) teaches the horse to trust anything you put in front of him/her. Not only will my horse gladly load the two horse, he's gotten on just about anything. I'm very happy with it. We have also done a lot of "de-sensitizing" to "spooky" objects. Crazy flower fly swatters, large beach balls being passed between riders, pool noodles, tarps were used to "de-sesitize" my horse. I also have taught my horse to ride the natural way. I can ride my horse "loopey" (which not a bad thing ;]), meaning we can walk, trot canter with the reins at the buckle. Its amazing! My horse trusts and learns from me about anything I teach him. As long as I have the patience, he will learn. I didn't have a ring at the old barn, and he went to bolting, bucking while I tried to ride around in a circle, to w/t/c around like he was in a ring.

    Trust is the biggest thing! If your horse trusts that you do what is best for him, their natural "run away!" instincts aren't as prevelent. I love it!

    Natural is worth it all!
         
        03-08-2009, 08:51 PM
      #4
    Weanling
    It sounds like a great program, I've always been interested in it, I watch the parelli shows on this horsemanship tv channel and its always been and interest to me. I just don't understand the program, do you do the games and training at your own farm? Or do you bring your horse to a farm where they have the instructions? And its alot of money, from what I've seen on the website and all. That's the only down fall to me.
         
        03-08-2009, 09:30 PM
      #5
    Trained
    I have done Parelli. I wasn't impressed. Personally, most of it to me is common sense. I do think it is a good, simple way for inexperienced horse owners to start ground work, however I think sometimes there is confusion between the time that you watch it on TV/Read it and then actually try it yourself. I would rather work with someone in person to make sure I am doing it correctly. (If you want Parelli, there are message boards and you maybe could find a higher level parelli student or a parelli barn to help you).
    Parelli, I think, can be helpful on the ground, but personally I think is pretty useless under saddle. I think that you should look at parelli and all the other NH trainers out there and take pieces that work for you and your horse from all of them. Parelli users tend to only use parelli and I think it's beneficial to pull from everywhere.

    Kudos for trying to strengthen your bond with your horse, and good luck whatever you decide to do. :)

    Note: This is not parelli bashing, so parelli-folks please don't respond as if it is.
         
        03-08-2009, 09:31 PM
      #6
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
    I have done Parelli. I wasn't impressed. Personally, most of it to me is common sense. I do think it is a good, simple way for inexperienced horse owners to start ground work, however I think sometimes there is confusion between the time that you watch it on TV/Read it and then actually try it yourself. I would rather work with someone in person to make sure I am doing it correctly. (If you want Parelli, there are message boards and you maybe could find a higher level parelli student or a parelli barn to help you).
    Parelli, I think, can be helpful on the ground, but personally I think is pretty useless under saddle. I think that you should look at parelli and all the other NH trainers out there and take pieces that work for you and your horse from all of them. Parelli users tend to only use parelli and I think it's beneficial to pull from everywhere.

    Kudos for trying to strengthen your bond with your horse, and good luck whatever you decide to do. :)

    Note: This is not parelli bashing, so parelli-folks please don't respond as if it is.
    Oh, also. You buy the training packs (And I think now they have moved to patterns. When I was doing it, you just got a level one pack or whatever) and work with it on your own. There are very parelli-focused trainers and riders out there though who could help you.
         
        03-08-2009, 11:28 PM
      #7
    Started
    Usually you do all the stuff at home. It's great to go take clinics though or find other WELL QUALIFIED students to help and support you.
         
        03-09-2009, 06:28 PM
      #8
    Foal
    My trainer is a natural horsewoman... I've never done anything Parelli, to my knowledge. She just teaches the two us of the "natural way".
    My trainer wrote this, I don't want to give out names, but I think everyone should read it :)

    Why do we use natural horsemanship?
    "Imagine your first day of kindergarten, you know nothing about school, nothing about the set up, the other kids, and you especially know nothing about this new adult at the front of the room. Now imagine if that adult grabbed you by the arm and pushed you down, making you sit, at a small plastic desk, along with all of the other kids. No verbal communication, no gesturing towards the desk, nothing; just throwing you into the seat. You might get the idea that that teacher wanted you to sit in the desk, but immediately you would be apprehensive of this new person. You might stare at him, you might cry, you might start to ignore him, or you might be afraid of him.
    Now, imagine if that same teacher continued to throw you into the seat day after day. Some students may immediately run to their seats, trying to avoid the teacher, others might try to hide from him, some may even say no and fight back. It's not that you don't understand what the teacher wants, it's that you can't understand why he is asking so harshly and so aburptly.
    This is the way many people try to interact with their horses. We as humans in the technologically advanced world, like things to get done as quickly and easily as possible. However, as one can see from the teacher analogy, the fastest way isn't always the best way. The students reactions were inconsistent among themselves and very likely to change over time individually. These are qualities most people do not want in their horses. We don't want a horse who moves off his rider's every little cue because he is afraid of his rider and then suddenly becomes lazy and won't walk forward at all because his distrust has turned to disrespect. Hence, we want to learn to speak to the horse on a level that he understands, using body language that he uses with other horses.
    Imagine if that same kindergarten teacher had verbally asked the students to choose a desk or gestured for the students to take their seats. It may have taken a few minutes the first day, and he may have had to raise his voice a little, and be firm, for the students to listen. Yet after they were all seated if he smiled and talked kindly to them the students would have positively associated sitting in the desks. Also, as the students grew more used to the environment and the teacher's authority, the students would have learned to take their seats at the beginning of each day without the teacher having to even ask.
    This is the kind of consistency and willingness we want in our horses, so we try use body language cues that are uniform with the body language that he already knows and use positive reinforcement when he does the right action so his mind stays willing on the task at hand. "


    knovak connection horse training llc


    (i know I said that I didn't want to give out names, but I thought I would give her the credit )
         
        03-12-2009, 08:50 AM
      #9
    Weanling
    Well the main thing is, is that he has his days where he sorta comes up to me, but he walks away. And like yesterday, I called everyone up, acting like I was feeding, and he ignored everything and ran away. It took me almost an hour to get him. And on most days I don't ride when I get him, I just brush him, ect. And he can ground tie after I get him and he's an angel after.


    Any tips on this??? I need alot of help on this!
         
        03-12-2009, 12:14 PM
      #10
    Started
    If you're still thinking about trying Parelli, all the info on the issues you're having with him is in the Level 1 pack. Basically he is either running from you b/c 1) he's just playing with you, which usually more extroverted horses do who are confident 2) there is a fear/unconfidence issue there or 3) he's not afraid necessarily but he doesn't want to be with you b/c you aren't interesting enough, etc. It's like if you have a boyfriend or husband....if when you come around they leave and don't want anything to do with you, you'd think there was a problem with the relationship...same thing with horses. So first you have to figure out WHY he runs. That answer will determine what you then do about it :)
         

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