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    06-06-2013, 09:33 AM
  #21
Weanling
For me as I lack knowledge, what is there to gain by joining up, from what I looked up all it does is teaching a horse to follow you?

Is there a purpose to all of it?

Im being serious
     
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    06-06-2013, 09:50 AM
  #22
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Originally Posted by TBforever    
for me as I lack knowledge, what is there to gain by joining up, from what I looked up all it does is teaching a horse to follow you?

Is there a purpose to all of it?

Im being serious
No there is no purpose as it doesn't teach the horse anything at all - you don't even need to do it to teach a horse to follow you - better that the horse understand commands like whoa, stand & come on (or whatever command you want to use when you want the horse to come to you and then follow
I prefer to train a horse to verbal cues - everyone has their own ways but to me these can translate to the horse under saddle as part of teaching it the leg & hand cues/aids later on
     
    06-06-2013, 05:41 PM
  #23
Foal
Ok so I attempted to try what Little Jane and tinyliny said but now she doesn't even move when I swing the rope behind her or smack her butt. Jaydee I understand what you are saying but you have failed to show me what else to do. All you have said is don't do this or that, but you haven't said what I should do.
     
    06-06-2013, 05:47 PM
  #24
Trained
Again. Find a trainer.

Jaydee is correct in not giving you advice, because the best thing to do is get hands on...experienced...help before ruining the horse.
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    06-06-2013, 06:20 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by Luvofthehorse    
Ok so I attempted to try what Little Jane and tinyliny said but now she doesn't even move when I swing the rope behind her or smack her butt. Jaydee I understand what you are saying but you have failed to show me what else to do. All you have said is don't do this or that, but you haven't said what I should do.

I apologise for not being more helpful but as CLaP says without actually seeing what your horse is doing and not knowing how experienced you are I really worry about handing out advice on a forum telling you what you should do
I'm telling you to forget the 'join up' because it really serves no purpose and a lot of the videos where its made to look so easy are what I call 'smoke and mirror' tricks. You get it wrong, put yourself in the wrong place, piss your horse off and end up getting kicked, I'm no way going to be responsible for that happening
I don't believe in doing too much lunge work with a young horse but at a little doesn't hurt and its a more positive step in her education have you ever tried lunging her?
Does she understand verbal cues?
Could you post some videos - if you don't want to put them on the open forum (some people can be a bit harsh with criticism so I understand that) then PM them too me - I promise to be gentle with you - but honest!!!
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    06-07-2013, 12:44 PM
  #26
Foal
Some horses just don't respond to join up, like Parelli doesn't work on some either. For example my beaten exie just would bolt if I pointed a carrot stick at him!
     
    06-07-2013, 01:43 PM
  #27
Foal
I don't know, but this might help with your Join Up situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dx91mH2voo
www.montyroberts.com
     
    06-07-2013, 02:41 PM
  #28
Foal
I can try to put videos on here but it might take a while. I am going to try lunging her using Clinton Anderson techniques. Bella is a really gentle horse. She wouldn't try to kick you or anything, every buck she does is purely for fun. I put the saddle on yesterday and all she did was back up.
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    06-14-2013, 09:50 AM
  #29
Showing
Neither of my horses "join up" yet both are respectful, come when they see or hear me. Neither crowd me, attempt to nip or kick or any other bad things horses think up as I also respect them and their space. Take a comfy chair and a book and join your filly in the pen (no halter). By paying no attention it seems to draw them in. Let her check you out but don't talk or reach out to her. Stay focused on your reading.
     
    06-14-2013, 09:54 AM
  #30
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Originally Posted by Luvofthehorse    
Ok so I attempted to try what Little Jane and tinyliny said but now she doesn't even move when I swing the rope behind her or smack her butt. Jaydee I understand what you are saying but you have failed to show me what else to do. All you have said is don't do this or that, but you haven't said what I should do.

You could try ordinary lunging? But personally I don't lunge horses as young as 2. Simple groundwork such as moving over, backwards and forwards are the basics, and you could try some long reining.
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