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post #1 of 382 Old 02-27-2011, 11:52 AM Thread Starter
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post #2 of 382 Old 02-27-2011, 11:55 AM Thread Starter
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Here's what happened yesterday:

Ya I've been watching and even my hubby came to watch. OK we're both hoping "my hero" wins However, Chris has got some good moves too. But what's happened thus far is that Pat is way ahead with his horse in that he focused on building rapport and then respect. He got up onto the horse within 40 minutes and he had him moving thru obstacles and things were looking good. Then he put the saddle on - still good - then he got back on and asked him to move a bit - lateral flexion if you please - perhaps the hind end too - and then after a few step boom he started bucking and reared up and poor Pat fell off. He fell OK thou and said he was OK but I fell off a warmblood 6 years ago just like that and I tell you I was sore for at least a week. But anyway he took the saddle off and then got back up just to sit a bit. Then he was done.

Chris got his horse to accept him on without a saddle and then with a saddle and then he rode him around a bit. He did very well. He reminds me of a colt starter I met about a year ago Daryl Gibbs very good, studied with Tom Dorrance before he died. He talks a lot about the horse's spirit - very cool. I always think that words - especially written words just can't describe things very well. So much of what we do is feel and knowing is feeling.

Then there was Clinton who didn't get very far with his horse today. No saddle but he did manage to lay on him. The horse did seem to accept him more at the end. I don't think he got as much rapport as either Pat or Chris got. He seems kind of over confident and was pushing the edge by desentizing his horse from outside the pen when he was supposed to be taking a break. Clinton constantly clucks and breathes really heavy like please guy stop with all the clucking and heavy breathing for goodness sakes you're the youngest guy here

So I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow - I can hardly wait
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Thanks for posting, natisha! CC is very good - I've seen his demonstrations (with problem horses) at the Expo several years back and he's a very confident trainer. I'm surprised CA didn't get very far though. May be indeed he doesn't feel well... BTW IMHO that was a shame PP couldn't sit that buck (given his riding experience). He fell off almost on 1st one when horse didn't even went bronco yet. Not trying to criticize here (yes, I don't think I'd stay either), just really surprised.

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Thanks, TLO & natisha! Super fun to see the video of Pat getting bucked off - or falling off, which? Just ribbin' ya, Pat!

It's educational to study what went wrong there: looks to me like Pat needed to cut horse slack instead of taut rope & causing the spin - horse felt trapped. When horse went to buck, Pat still kept rope taut.

If you have to fall, though, that was a nice, harmless fall, thank goodness!

I loved how Pat just got up with a smile on his face & kept on doing his job! No anger, no frustration vented upon the colt. :)
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Thanks for posting, natisha! CC is very good - I've seen his demonstrations (with problem horses) at the Expo several years back and he's a very confident trainer. I'm surprised CA didn't get very far though. May be indeed he doesn't feel well... BTW IMHO that was a shame PP couldn't sit that buck (given his riding experience). He fell off almost on 1st one when horse didn't even went bronco yet. Not trying to criticize here (yes, I don't think I'd stay either), just really surprised.
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I like CC too. He would win in the filling jeans nicely category.
CA always is the last to get on. He does as much ground work as possible.
To be fair to PP that horse didn't just buck. See how its hindquarters were at an angle to the shoulders when it went up? That's very hard to sit as it spins you off, however it is one of the softest landings (guess how I know?)
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^^ i agree. Good fall though lol! I think the horse just got really spooked which is why he started spinning faster & because of the momentum of the spin i can't see many people staying on.
I am quite able (knock on wood!) to stick with my mare when she bucks & spooks "normally" ha ha but there's a certian move she pulls at times when she really spooks that gets me off everytime because she does a little jump to the side that sets you off balance & then rears a little & leaps backwards and to the side which results in me pitched over her shoulder (little brat).

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My husband corrected me too... ha. So Pat didn't get bucked off as you all saw. The horse reared up and it seemed that Pat just kind of let go and let himself fall. Maybe it was a good idea rather than pulling the horse overtop of him. He did talk about the mistake today and thought that he was a little tense on the one side and Pat thought that he pushed him too far and that's what happened.

So far today....

Chris is doing real well. He's got his horse going under saddle well despite what happened when they first brought the horses in. They tried to bring in Chris' horse and he got real scared and I think he jumped the coral panel. Then they decided to bring them in all together to reduce the stress and that worked out better. But poor Chris had to start with that and his horse was most affected by the incident. But all in all he's still doing well but I think he's a bit down.

Pat is also doing really well. He's got his horse working so nicely now under saddle. It looks real cooperative between them. He spent a lot of time on the ground working through obstacles and then standing up over him playing the squeeze. He also put balloons on his saddle and asked him to move out and that was interesting. By the time he got on he was in a pretty good state of mind. At the end Pat seemed content and I think he spoke a lot today as an educator. I think that makes him happy - you know to share.

Clinton is probably doing the worst of the three. He did get up on his horse today but the cooperation or partnership is still pretty weak. He feels that it'll get better once they're outside the pen and that'll separate the boys from the men. He was a little nasty today as well. Both Pat and Chris have offered clinics to people attending RTTH for free - like wow how great. Then Clinton said something like anything good is not worth giving away. Like what an insult to both Chris and Pat - not very good sportsmanship there. At the end he didn't seem very happy but I can't really read him.

I'll post again very soon....
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CA always is the last to get on. He does as much ground work as possible.
Interesting to hear! I know he's very big about ground work. I guess we'll see then. :)

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I don't understand why PP continued to put pressure onthe colt after he got up from the ground and the colt was bucking around the pen. What is purpose of puttig pressure on the colt after the colt just went to the extreme of bucking , due to being overpressured to begin with?

Just to add, I have NO favorite in this game. I don't know enough about any of the three. I think it is very strange to make horse gentling a timed, competitive event, but whatever . . .
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