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        08-16-2009, 03:02 PM
      #21
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    *zips up flame suit* I will say that ANY horse WILL respond to the 7 Games. You have to know your horse's Horsenality first so that you can use the appropriate strategies for that particular horse. Some horses need you to move on quickly, some need you to take your time and go slow. Pat can take ahold of any horse and have it doing amazing things in a very short amount of time.
    Yes Spirthorse but I am just pointing out what you said and I am not trying to start a fight because this is a good thread and I do not want it more closed down but this is what you said above... Not all horses respond and Pat can take my horse but it will not help, I promise you that because he has been to 2 trainers that cannot help me or my horse..Point blank.
         
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        08-16-2009, 03:11 PM
      #22
    Trained
    ^Sounds like you've given up hope! I think almost all horses can be helped and certainly all riders.

    Spirithorse, maybe you can explain this to me:
    For me, the same basic cues (yielding to pressure) that I use on the ground are used once I get in the saddle. I ground drive and do basic ground work to get a foundation on the horse so when I get in the saddle, everything is not always new. I ask for pressure on the horse in pretty much the same way as I do in the saddle and if he had proper ground training it will make sense to him if I am in the saddle or not. So what is the benefit of having different cues on the ground versus in the saddle?
         
        08-16-2009, 03:29 PM
      #23
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    No its not hope iv lost its determaition(sp)?..i am a girl who wants the job done so I do it myself..i have to use a crop and spurs on my boy or I can't get him to do anything.. do not post that I am cruel because that is not if. Pls if you have a problem pm me or find a way of contact
         
        08-16-2009, 03:32 PM
      #24
    Trained
    I don't have a problem or think you are cruel, I am just of the belief of if there is a will there is a way. You've just lost the will.
         
        08-16-2009, 03:56 PM
      #25
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    No no no I wasent blaming you I was refering to Spirthorse! Im sorry for the confusion
         
        08-16-2009, 05:43 PM
      #26
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    There are so many "label" trainers out there, it isn't hard to experiment. Especially since so many have TV shows that (for the most part, I won't give names...) give at least a taste of the method in detail. Every horse is an individual, and different training methods work well for different animals (and handlers!). I applaud the OP for looking into a NH option for working with her horse.

    I do notice that when I do the CA equivalent of the Yo-yo game I run into the same kinds of issues already mentioned. But, every horse I've ever tried it with know really well how to back showmanship style, so I've basically assumed that that training is interfering (for lack of a better word) with the Label NH stuff. No prob in my world... he still backs out of my space politely!
         
        08-16-2009, 06:37 PM
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    Originally Posted by HorsesHorses08    
    Yes Spirthorse but I am just pointing out what you said and I am not trying to start a fight because this is a good thread and I do not want it more closed down but this is what you said above... Not all horses respond and Pat can take my horse but it will not help, I promise you that because he has been to 2 trainers that cannot help me or my horse..Point blank.
    I would assume those 2 trainers didn't do things like Pat does. If Pat took your horse, you would be amazed at what your horse offered him. Point blank. I've had a lesson with Pat himself (just last month at the Celebration) and my horse responded immediately.
         
        08-16-2009, 06:41 PM
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    Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
    ^Sounds like you've given up hope! I think almost all horses can be helped and certainly all riders.

    Spirithorse, maybe you can explain this to me:
    For me, the same basic cues (yielding to pressure) that I use on the ground are used once I get in the saddle. I ground drive and do basic ground work to get a foundation on the horse so when I get in the saddle, everything is not always new. I ask for pressure on the horse in pretty much the same way as I do in the saddle and if he had proper ground training it will make sense to him if I am in the saddle or not. So what is the benefit of having different cues on the ground versus in the saddle?
    I look at it this way. I ride my horse bareback with the halter. Have I practiced backing him by the halter to get softness on the ground? Yes. Have I practiced my yields on the ground to prepare for riding? Yes. However, a simple rope wiggle can come in really handy if a horse gets too pushy or if you get into trouble and need to get your horse away from you NOW. Shake it, send a coil down the rope, whatever, but it gets the horse off of you. Plus, horses respond to not only steady pressure, but rhythmic pressure as well, so the horse needs to be balanced in his response with both ways of asking. The horse should yield to and from steady AND rhythmic pressure.
         
        08-16-2009, 06:43 PM
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    Originally Posted by HorsesHorses08    
    no its not hope iv lost its determaition(sp)?..i am a girl who wants the job done so I do it myself..i have to use a crop and spurs on my boy or I can't get him to do anything.. do not post that I am cruel because that is not if. Pls if you have a problem pm me or find a way of contact
    Since this was directed at me, I'll just say I was not going to say you were abusive or cruel. I do however think it's a problem when a crop and spurs HAVE to be used. That is a foundation issue and it's only forcing the body. Riding shouldn't be that difficult!
         
        08-16-2009, 07:05 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    I love the seven games because it gives a person a clear outline to follow to get basic groundwork done with their horses. All of mine, stud colt included, are soft and respectful because of it.

    However, if you've read from some of the posts, 'you need to know his 'horsenality!' or you need this carrot stick, or you need this and that. If you just want to buy the DVD, I would say pass. Part of the reason why the 'seven games' works is because of the theory put behind it. Buying just a DVD and then trying to imitate it is what gets people hurt because they're out there with only half of the information (which they do on purpose--because then you have to buy more DVDs and books!). Another problem people have when they just by the seven games is that they play them OVER and OVER again and then there really is no bond, there is just one really bored horse.

    Level one--Safety--is not about creating a bond with your horse. It's about laying down lines of communication so that later, you and your horse can bond. If you'd like to do parelli and increase the bond with your horse, I'm afraid the seven games alone are not going to help you. If anything, try looking for the Level 1 and Level 2 packs on Ebay. They are cheaper, and much better laid out then the new DVDs they are selling. Save up if you have to; if it's what you want to do it's worth it. There's a lot of information in the kits, hidden behind layers of some advertising and a weird almost cult feeling. Save up and get the proper equipment too at halfcircleranch. It's a website where the woman makes all of the same equipment, made out of the same materials, for half the price. You CAN NOT beat the quality of the rope halters or the lunge lines--I no longer practice parelli but the yatching rope is all I use!

    I wish some of the other Parelli fans out there would have informed you of such basic stuff! Don't go throwing your money away, make your decision wisely!
         

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