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        06-30-2009, 12:18 AM
      #111
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Misfit    
    <-- has a guilty confession to make.

    Coach's jumper is thick as a brick. Like seriously, he is DUMB! He's also very rude (wants to be your best friend, I.e. Rub his head on you, lean on you etc...). And very big.

    On multiple occasions, I have smacked that horse as hard as I possibly can... in the head (usually when he's rubbing on me). Normally I would feel guilty about this, but his reaction was to simply stare at me, blink, and then go back to rubbing.

    This taught me three things: 1. That horse is DUMB, 2. I need to start lifting weights, and 3. Hitting a horse in the face isn't necessarily scar them for life.



    Hahahahaha. This made me laugh so hard that my brother asked what was so funny. Lol I'm just glad I haven't run into a horse like this yet... although, my 2 year old is starting to show some signs
         
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        06-30-2009, 07:24 AM
      #112
    Zab
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sunny06    
    It's fine to smack a horse. End of discussion--but it DOES depend WHERE. On the head? Big no-no. On the shoulder,neck,chest,etc? That's fine.
    I'd rather say ''when'' than ''where''.
    Timing is all that matters. If you start hitting your horse on the shoulder everytime you see him for no reason and no warning, he'll get confused and avoid you.
    If you hit his nose when he's biting you, in the exact same moment, he won't gwt confused or scared, he'll know he brought it onto himself.
    If you hit his face two seconds after he bit you, when he has already pulled back, he might understand why, and might not. Or he'll think you're too slow and ignore you.

    It's all about timing and understanding. And the horse MUST know that if he does this, he will get smacked, and then he gets smacked. Otherwise it'll just cause confusion and perhaps fear.

    The biggest problems with smacking a horse is that the smack rarely tells the horse what's wrong, or lead it into the right way. If you can think of anything that makes that clearer while you're correcting the horse (such as backing the horse if he walks too close when leading him, it's clear and gentle, while smacking him in this case will tell him to back off, but does it in a sudden and unexpected way - unless the horse already knows not to walk too close)it will be more effective, because the horse can easier associate the wrong behaviour with the correction, and remember how to act instead. Better communication. Even if the clearer way is more severe to the horse psycologically, it is to prefer since the horse will simply understand better.

    Now, in reality, we're humans. And if the horse does something, we can't always immediatly figure out how to correct the horse in the most clear way, if we do, we'll loose all the important timing. And then we can do the second best thing; smack. As long as the timing is good, the horse won't get scared, it won't get hurt, and it will probably get the message through.
    Next time we should have thought things through and have different solution ready.
         
        06-30-2009, 08:53 AM
      #113
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    Abuse creates fear, discipline creates respect.
    I second that!
         
        06-30-2009, 07:14 PM
      #114
    Started
    The horse is DUMB? Wow. How about the horse is just so confident in himself and all around that you could whack on him all day and he wouldn't give up? That's not stupidity, that's just a very smart, confident, dominant horse. It's worth it to him to get a smack if he can still rub his head. But it's a great example of how smacking doesn't work. It's SO easy to get a horse to stop rubbing on you.
         
        07-01-2009, 12:14 AM
      #115
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    The horse is DUMB? Wow. How about the horse is just so confident in himself and all around that you could whack on him all day and he wouldn't give up? That's not stupidity, that's just a very smart, confident, dominant horse. It's worth it to him to get a smack if he can still rub his head. But it's a great example of how smacking doesn't work. It's SO easy to get a horse to stop rubbing on you.

    Well bless your heart.
         
        07-01-2009, 01:14 PM
      #116
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    The horse is DUMB? Wow. How about the horse is just so confident in himself and all around that you could whack on him all day and he wouldn't give up? That's not stupidity, that's just a very smart, confident, dominant horse. It's worth it to him to get a smack if he can still rub his head. But it's a great example of how smacking doesn't work. It's SO easy to get a horse to stop rubbing on you.
    So there is no such thing as dumb horses just mean people? Ok, I can live with that. "Stupid [horses] need to most attention!" -the Simpsons.
         
        07-01-2009, 01:22 PM
      #117
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Misfit    
    ^U
    One point last year I got pissed off and had the "THIS. ENDS. NOW." come to jesus meeting of the century with him. Luckily, he stood still the rest of the day.
    Did you pick up "come to jesus" from me? You wouldn't be the first to like the phrase, but I just want to know so I can take credit for starting it, hehe. Maybe one day I can be like the guy on the Sarah Silverman show who started booyah! Yep, I'll be balling then, horse people will whisper around me and ask for my autograph. Oh yeah, it will be sweet! As for your Idiot Savant, keep up the mind your manners or die attitude, it's safest for everyone if your horse behaves.
         
        07-01-2009, 01:26 PM
      #118
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zab    
    If you start hitting your horse on the shoulder everytime you see him for no reason and no warning, he'll get confused and avoid you.
    When did I say I hit my horse everytime I see him, hmm? You have to make examples that actually make sense..
         
        07-01-2009, 04:26 PM
      #119
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TroubledTB    
    Did you pick up "come to jesus" from me? You wouldn't be the first to like the phrase, but I just want to know so I can take credit for starting it, hehe.
    That's been around for decades. My Gram used to say it when all of us were into mischief. She say, do you want a 'come to Jesus' session? So it's not new.
         
        07-01-2009, 04:34 PM
      #120
    Weanling
    Thanks, I had only heard my mom and I use it, so I never knew, I just heard people pick it up from me before.
         

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