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        06-24-2009, 11:14 AM
      #31
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    I agree with you about it's always key to pay attention to your horse. However, I still don't agree with punishment.....physical or mental.
         
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        06-24-2009, 11:16 AM
      #32
    Yearling
    I am not going to just stand by and allow my horse to bowl me over because the "mistake" I made is not feeding him as fast as he would like. He will not be allowed to crowd me because he wants something omgrightnoworI'llstarve.

    What is your solution to that issue? Just let him crowd me, just "understand him" and he'll learn?
         
        06-24-2009, 11:23 AM
      #33
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    Have a line on him at first and if he comes forward back him up. If he took 2 steps forward, back him 4, 3 steps, back him 6, etc. He needs to learn patience. He has never been asked to be patient and wait before, otherwise he wouldn't show that kind of behavior. It's a really easy thing to fix. Oh, and I never allow a horse to come to me with a sour look on his face.
         
        06-24-2009, 11:29 AM
      #34
    Yearling
    Every horse is different, and what works for your horse doesn't necessarily work for someone else's. That is the main flaw I see in the natural horsemanship techniques. The assumption is that these methods work for every single horse, and they just don't.

    BTW, he knows patience now. He is quite patient, he just wasn't patient at feeding time, until I taught him in a manner that he finally understood... after trying the method you outlined above. Before you go thinking I beat him into submission, I didn't. All it took was a couple of taps with a riding crop and he "got it".
         
        06-24-2009, 11:31 AM
      #35
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    Umm, I never thought you beat your horse into submission. Come on.
         
        06-24-2009, 11:34 AM
      #36
    Yearling
    I can't know what you might have thought, so I threw it in there to avoid confusion :)
         
        06-24-2009, 01:38 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    First off kick, biting, etc IS FORCE in the horse world, their warning signs are pinned ears, a lifted leg and the swishing of the tail, etc.
    The reference to Ceasar Millan was because he uses what dogs understand to deal with them. He doesn't EVER go straight to force on them. Which is the same as what us horse people should do, understand your horse and their signs before you "punish" them.
    And no, you shouldn't go straight to punishing them. There are other methods that smacking but unless a horse was beaten before a smack here and there isn't going to hurt them or effect how they see you.
         
        06-24-2009, 03:03 PM
      #38
    Green Broke
    It's about escalation. You warn the horse by used a direct stern voice, if the horse continues you give it a smack with your hand, if the horse continues you pop him with a crop. It doesn't usually take much to get the horse's attention.

    But the whole idea of not punishing your horse when he misbehaves is asking for a load of trouble. And it's a ridiculous notion.

    Too many NH people get themselves into trouble by that thinking. I've seen it more times than I would like.

    You can't go about shaking a leadrope at a horse or trying to verbally reason with the horse to get them to mind if they are misbehaving or being aggressive.
         
        06-24-2009, 03:13 PM
      #39
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    I've never smacked my warmblood, who I already said was extremely aggressive when I got him, and is he aggressive anymore? No. Does he try to bite, kick, etc? No. The people who had him before smacked him, and with whips when he was "bad" and that only made his behavior worse. Can't blame him for hating people. I would, too. I've only done Parelli with him and the transformation he's made is incredible. He was in training with 2 professional trainers, one dressage and one eventing, and neither one of them could do a thing with him because of his behavior, so they said he was trash and the owner was going to have him put down. I find it interesting that an everyday, 20 year old horse owner can solve all his aggression problems when PROFESSIONALS couldn't. The only main difference between me and them is the fact that I do Parelli and they don't.
         
        06-24-2009, 03:17 PM
      #40
    Green Broke
    People get the same results every day with using some form of punishment when the horse acts out. Giving them a smack or a pop with a crop isn't going to hurt them physically or mentally. There may be some exceptions out there with severely abused horses but on the whole, there are plenty of horses out there that even with punishment are well-behaved and have no issues.
         

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