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        03-01-2013, 01:44 AM
      #21
    Yearling
    I'm going to take a shot at the rope wiggle bit. I was never taught its purpose, but I can gander a guess.

    If a horse was enroaching your space, you would use your arm to make it move out, in turn, putting energy in the rope which transfers to the horse?
         
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        03-01-2013, 01:46 AM
      #22
    Trained
    Sure - it's because horses tend to back away from wiggling snakes... isn't it??
         
        03-01-2013, 08:34 AM
      #23
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deschutes    
    I'm going to take a shot at the rope wiggle bit. I was never taught its purpose, but I can gander a guess.

    If a horse was enroaching your space, you would use your arm to make it move out, in turn, putting energy in the rope which transfers to the horse?
    Nope, it comes from vaqueros who do actual ranch work. They always have either a mecate rein or a get down rope on their horses. They sometimes have to get off their horse to doctor a cow and they take the get-down rope/mecate tail with them so that they can either step the horse up to loosen the rope on the cow.....or wiggle the lead and get the horse to step back and tighten the rope on the cow.


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        03-01-2013, 09:20 AM
      #24
    Showing
    Whenever I've seen a Parelli advocate backing a horse with a wiggling rope, the horse is trying to avoid getting clunked under the jaw with that big clip. The horse's nose is so high in the air he has no idea of what to do next. My horses back when I flop my hand sideways and hold the other up like a stop sign. To move them back faster I glare at them and lift my shoulders. There's no head raising from fear.
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        03-01-2013, 12:50 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Ooooh! That makes sense! Thanks for explaining.
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        03-12-2013, 10:12 PM
      #26
    Showing
    Japhy, it's a combination of body language and that your focus is on another horse. Just go out and fix fence and the horses will show up to check your work.
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        03-12-2013, 10:30 PM
      #27
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Whenever I've seen a Parelli advocate backing a horse with a wiggling rope, the horse is trying to avoid getting clunked under the jaw with that big clip.
    That's called 'causing' rather than 'making' by the way.
         
        03-15-2013, 08:46 PM
      #28
    Showing
    Loosie, you've got me there. Would you explain in more detail?
         
        03-15-2013, 08:49 PM
      #29
    Showing
    Saddlebag, I think she means that the horse just instinctually backs away just trying to avoid getting hit rather than actually thinking "Okay, the human wants me to back up"...which would happen if the human was making/cueing the horse to back.
         
        03-15-2013, 09:48 PM
      #30
    Trained
    Nope, sorry guys, was just being cheeky & sarcastic... again, & forgot to add emoticons to make that clear!

    I do actually have a lot of respect for (a lot of) Parelli's ideas & principles, but I think his ideas regarding 'cause v's make' just seems like a (silly) rose by another name to me. & while principles are mostly quite sound IMO, some practices, such as using a heavy clip to be able to punish the horse more strongly in that manner really... don't gel with me.
         

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