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        03-08-2010, 04:37 PM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    e but if he had been really fearful he wouldn't have been taking his eyes off of her. When my horses are afraid of anything they give it their full attention and this horse could barely keep his eyes on her for 5 seconds at the beginning of the video.
    EXACTLY Kevin, he was keeping his eyes on what was bothering him, his unfamiliar surroundings, the reason he was not paying any attention at all to her, he was overstimulated by his environment. She tried to use all 5'1" of her to forca a frightened 1200lb animal to pay attention to her and ignore his natural instincts to watch what he was afraid of and got frustrated and violent when that did not work. NATURAL horsemanship indeed.
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        03-08-2010, 05:50 PM
    Originally Posted by iridehorses    
    What we all saw was what the person who pieced that video together wanted us to see, much like a PITA propaganda video. We saw bits and pieces portrayed in a way to make her look like a hypocrite.

    I'm not a fan of the Parelli machine but what is fair is fair and that video was meant to inflame.
    I have to agree on that one. Its really hard to tell whats going on from that little snippet of video. I'll stand by the maxim of Mark Twain. "Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see"
        03-09-2010, 09:25 AM
    Quick Reply..

    I've been reading about this video on the 'net for the last few days. Apparently it's a clip taken from a training DVD that you can buy. In the full version there are people in a group trying to teach their horses to back up by wiggling the rope, this one fella can't do it, so LP steps in to help - which is where the clip starts - the horse only has one eye, and IMO looks confused - not scared, or aggressive - just completely befuddled as to what is happening
        03-10-2010, 06:05 PM
    I found other clips from the same demonstration.

    This is before Linda took him.

    This is after, in a group meet.

    And here's the original, posted on YouTube. If you couldn't view it before, you can now.
        03-10-2010, 06:17 PM
    It seems to me that the owner was having more success in the beginning than Linda did during her time at the end of the lead rope.
        03-10-2010, 06:22 PM
    Why not teach the horse a simple command? BACK !!!!
    Oh no just wiggle wiggle thump...
        03-10-2010, 06:28 PM
    The horse was picking it much better with the guy then with her. If he has stopped and given some relief the min the horse started to back the horse would have caught on much faster. He was backing yet the guy keeps smacking him with the line.
        03-10-2010, 06:44 PM
    Oh yes, and this page.
    A Statement From Linda
        03-10-2010, 07:34 PM
    God, how did I miss 11 pages of this?! Oh right, because I avoid anything Parelli-related like it's the plague.

    But Linda is absolutely DISGUSTING! I wouldn't let her train a lab rat.

    In my eyes, that was abuse. Especially since he's one-eyed, he's just trying to look at something - dang, give him a break. Horses are prey animals, after all.

    "Go over to the trees so I can deal with this" With what? A confused horse? That's not how you calm or instil confidence in a horse. He wasn't doing anything wrong. Until they started shaking the lead so hard the metal was hitting him in his face... even then he was looking for the answer she wanted. But I don't think she knew the answer she wanted.
        03-11-2010, 01:30 AM
    I still see a confused horse.
    "You wiggle the rope, I move sideways -- no release, I must be doing it wrong. I move back -- no release. I move forwards -- no release. Well now I'm just confused!"
    I do not see a dangerous horse. I see a spirited horse that has no idea what the heck the owner/handler wants.

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