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post #61 of 99 Old 06-27-2013, 11:03 PM
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I forgot to add one more thing. I'm doing this whole bareback/bridleless thing to regain my "feel" for my horse. I hate bringing up personal details, but for a while I didn't ride much since I was going through a period of depression/family problems/self harm/etc. I'm doing this to regain my confidence and happiness. I'm sorry if I sounded ignorant, but I'm trying to become a successful rider again after having such a hard time, and having so many failures. I know I will never be a top level rider or a world renown trainer, but I want to take what I can get.
Um going bareback and bridless to regain "feel"? Um I don't think it works that way. You need a trainer, people who think they are the best horse rider and trainer in the world really irritate me, there is no way that you can know SO much about them if you have been riding only ten years. My trainer has ridden for fifty and competed in almost every event and she still refuses to say that she knows everything. Tack should not be inhibiting you riding or feel. I see them as communication devices. I can feel my horse respond through a thick roping saddle and pad. He can feel me when I tense up, I can feel when he tenses to go into another gait or tense when I give him a command. Just look at the highly trained bridle horses, they are not in those big bits because it is more forcefull and gives the rider more leverage, they are trained to respond to it and they know how to carry and hold it in their mouths. If you think that tack is the main cause that you don't have feel, than you are very far from being an experienced rider. Im sorry if I sound cold or rude here, but how can you expect to rise to the top and get better if you don't need a trainer?
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Um going bareback and bridless to regain "feel"? Um I don't think it works that way. You need a trainer, people who think they are the best horse rider and trainer in the world really irritate me, there is no way that you can know SO much about them if you have been riding only ten years. My trainer has ridden for fifty and competed in almost every event and she still refuses to say that she knows everything. Tack should not be inhibiting you riding or feel. I see them as communication devices. I can feel my horse respond through a thick roping saddle and pad. He can feel me when I tense up, I can feel when he tenses to go into another gait or tense when I give him a command. Just look at the highly trained bridle horses, they are not in those big bits because it is more forcefull and gives the rider more leverage, they are trained to respond to it and they know how to carry and hold it in their mouths. If you think that tack is the main cause that you don't have feel, than you are very far from being an experienced rider. Im sorry if I sound cold or rude here, but how can you expect to rise to the top and get better if you don't need a trainer?
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I said I DO NOT expect to rise to the top. My number one priority with my horse is our relationship, hence why I focus on morr NATURAL methods that sticking a bit in his mouth. I believe all basic cues should require no tack if it is so "natural".
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Unfortunately I have seen a lot of trainers like that. They'll hire any brave teenager. Hell, I've even volunteered to be that teenager because I needed the cash desperately. I'd still do it now, but I would feel awful if anyone unknowing got swindled into doing it without realizing what the trainer was really wanting.
I am getting no money from it. I am doing it purely for experience. Who wouldn't hop at the chance to widden their experiencr with different types of horses with different personalities?

I wanted to do the saddleseat because I miss showing, and I clearly don't have a show quality horse right now to do it on. She is offering me to ride on beautifully trained Arabs. Duh I would jump at that.

The other woman I have known since I started riding. She is injured and can't ride. She wants me to get on her horses and make him work, and push him around since he is bossy.
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I said I DO NOT expect to rise to the top. My number one priority with my horse is our relationship, hence why I focus on morr NATURAL methods that sticking a bit in his mouth. I believe all basic cues should require no tack if it is so "natural".
And throwing a person on a horse's back is natural? That's like saying we developed opposable thumbs so that we could text (there is actually a condition called "texter's thumb" now that develops when the tendons in your thumbs get inflamed from too much texting).

When we decided to use horses for riding, certain methods were developed and have since been continually improved and perfected (I'm not necessarily saying they are perfect, but the goal is to get them ever closer to perfection and great advances have been made). So, frankly, using a bit because it provides clarity of communication between two animals that do not speak the same language is natural in the realm of domestication, since that's where we find ourselves when we decide to ride a horse.
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I think maybe you need to find yourself and then perhaps you'll be able to connect better with your horse
Bad hands cause pain not bits
You're going to have to ride these saddleseat horses in a leverage bit on a very short rein so you should really be working on how light your hands are and not riding bridleless
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I think maybe you need to find yourself and then perhaps you'll be able to connect better with your horse
Bad hands cause pain not bits
You're going to have to ride these saddleseat horses in a leverage bit on a very short rein so you should really be working on how light your hands are and not riding bridleless
Jaydee, how do you put things so eloquently and matter-of-factly? I just had a "no duh" moment - how can you possibly learn to ride correctly with tack if you refuse to use it? That's like trying to learn to play an instrument without ever picking one up!
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if a lot of other people can ride a horse in a bit and saddle and do fine than I think its you who are causing the problems. And I agree with what is said above, if you want a NATURAL expirience, why don't you go out and start hunting horses and eating them :p
Its only natural. Don't you think theres a reason why we kept tack around for hundreds of years and still use it?
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I said I DO NOT expect to rise to the top. My number one priority with my horse is our relationship, hence why I focus on morr NATURAL methods that sticking a bit in his mouth. I believe all basic cues should require no tack if it is so "natural".
It isn't natural. Nothing about us around horses is natural. A look into what would be 'natural' would be us chomping on horse legs. All the Natural Horsemanship means is work with your horse's reactions instead of against them, which can be done bitless/bridleless and bareback, or with a bit and saddle.

My relationship with horses is my priority too, but I ride with a saddle and a bridle. I figure as long as it doesn't hurt him and I can feel then why not use them?
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I think maybe you need to find yourself and then perhaps you'll be able to connect better with your horse
Bad hands cause pain not bits
You're going to have to ride these saddleseat horses in a leverage bit on a very short rein so you should really be working on how light your hands are and not riding bridleless
I know how to use a double bridle. I was taught that by a trainer.
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Yet you refuse to go to lessons...

I'm out, have fun guys.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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