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post #21 of 32 Old 06-03-2013, 09:43 PM
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post #22 of 32 Old 06-03-2013, 09:45 PM
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I would say be careful tricks are cute but be sure your ques are ones that won't interfere or get somebody hurt of they accidentally touch the spot or say the word with our realizing it.
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I would say be careful tricks are cute but be sure your ques are ones that won't interfere or get somebody hurt of they accidentally touch the spot or say the word with our realizing it.
Well im not going to let a random person walk up to my horse and tap her elbow saying paw as that's the only way she will paw. Pfft

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post #24 of 32 Old 06-03-2013, 09:54 PM
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. Or if I should join a different forum solely to do with natural horsemanship and start a new fresh as id only like to do natural horsemanship with my horse and I would accept any constructive and non bullying criticism from people I can look up to by the way they train. And see wether they have evidence to prove their opinions.
OliviaMyee...if you have spent any time reading posts here you would know how many of the posters do train using so-called natural horsemanship methods. These methods are NOT NEW. Many trainers have been using these methods for years...way before Anderson, Parelli, Cox (and on and on) came on the scene. Many of these trainers today make a good liviing marketing their products to those of us who are interested in what they have to say. There are also plenty of lively debates about individual trainers.
Most people here are interested in ending up with a well trained horse that is reliable and as safe as any horse can be. Personally, I have no interest in teaching "tricks." Horses can be tricky enough on their own without any additional help from me.
You are interested in tricks and if you can do it and still have a safe horse, well, then that's a decision you will have to make...and deal with if it goes bad (and I am not trying to be snippy).
We all learn from each other. I have gained valuable information from this forum. And often I read things I may not agree with but that's just the way life goes.
Please think about why some people may not agree with you.
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post #25 of 32 Old 06-03-2013, 10:04 PM
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Wow zero need to be so snippy. I was simply saying this because my friend had a mare about 4 yes ago who was taught to rear when pressure was applied to the reins with a tap to the shoulder and ended up causing problems for the little girl who wanted to use her on gymkhana. People don't think to ask" oh does he/she know any tricks I should know about while handling him/her?"

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Olivia, what cue did you use and where to get her to paw? This is the beginning of the Spanish walk. I've never trained it but I've seen it done by touching the top of the leg on the front.
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I have seen people who have taught their horses to bow, paw, "spanish walk" etc and it has caused them nothing but trouble. Most horse people want a horse that does the basic stuff properly using the usual cues, and don't want to be cueing tricks accidentally. Olivia, I understand you were planning on selling your horse in a few years time to buy a camera - teaching it potentially dangerous or annoying tricks like pawing will decrease her resale value.

I have seen your other videos, your horse is very patient and pretty well desensitised already so I don't think there is any need to be doing that stuff. If you really do want to teach your horse something I would suggest looking at trying to improve her reactions times to basic vocal cues and riding aids - get her more sensitive and listening to you. This will improve your relationship (I hate the word "bond") and improve her as a horse and you as a handler/rider. At the moment, and I hope you take this as purely constructive criticism rather than me being rude or anything, the things you are working on are either undesirable to many people or rehashing stuff she knows already so she's getting bored. Even if you weren't planning on selling her any time soon I'd caution against either of these things.

Please just consider what I've written - and feel free to PM me to discuss other options for practical training that I think you can do safely. I would still advise you to find a proper trainer - just because your friend rides at 1* level on a good horse does not mean she knows anything about training. There are some very experienced natural and traditional trainers on here (like Cherie for example) who are happy advising anyone who actually listens and takes information on board. I know that's hard when you're young but it is a very important skill to learn.

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I have seen people who have taught their horses to bow, paw, "spanish walk" etc and it has caused them nothing but trouble. Most horse people want a horse that does the basic stuff properly using the usual cues, and don't want to be cueing tricks accidentally. Olivia, I understand you were planning on selling your horse in a few years time to buy a camera - teaching it potentially dangerous or annoying tricks like pawing will decrease her resale value.

^^^ right there you are stereotyping I know of horses that know tricks and dressage amd they would be worth over 10 grand but do go on with your close minded opinion.

I have seen your other videos, your horse is very patient and pretty well desensitised already so I don't think there is any need to be doing that stuff. If you really do want to teach your horse something I would suggest looking at trying to improve her reactions times to basic vocal cues and riding aids - get her more sensitive and listening to you. This will improve your relationship (I hate the word "bond") and improve her as a horse and you as a handler/rider. At the moment, and I hope you take this as purely constructive criticism rather than me being rude or anything, the things you are working on are either undesirable to many people or rehashing stuff she knows already so she's getting bored. Even if you weren't planning on selling her any time soon I'd caution against either of these things.

Please just consider what I've written - and feel free to PM me to discuss other

If you can show me with proof that you are a great trainer by videos of yourself I would feel very happy to pm you, but how dp I listen to all these opinions* if I don't know how well experienced the person is them self ?

Options for practical training that I think you can do safely. I would still advise you to find a proper trainer - just because your friend rides at 1* level on a good horse does not mean she knows anything about training. There are some very experienced natural and traditional trainers on here (like Cherie for example) who are happy advising anyone who actually listens and takes information on board. I know that's hard when you're young but it is a very important skill to learn.
My friend is an instructor herself breaks in horses and re-sells them. I Have ridden a horse she broke in, her horses are well trained and safer than so MANY horses I have seen, the recent horse she broke in that has been sold is ridden by a 6 year old and the child has no worries at all the horse is confidant,obediant and just every thing you would want in a horse.

This is what the horse forum recently has taught me:
"you have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, correct way, and the only way, it does not exist"

I know who I can go to if I need help, I don't like this generalised thinking of tricks are bad ect .

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Olivia, what cue did you use and where to get her to paw? This is the beginning of the Spanish walk. I've never trained it but I've seen it done by touching the top of the leg on the front.
Touching the whip near the elbow and saying paw, afterwards I realised that when I pawed I got the first good results.

At first Jazzy would hold her leg up so I will teach her to hold for me coz that would be good for picking out feet.

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You yourself are stereotyping not once did I say I didn't like tricks or you were wrong. You were actually very rude back to me even though nothing I said was attacking you just giving you a small opinion. Once you start acting the way you are now, yes people will get at you simply because you are being very snippy right away. If you want all hugs and congrats then go to your friend/trainer or whatever. You won't have every person agree with what you do in life but that doesn't mean you can be rude, especially if people are rude to you step up and be the bigger person aka don't be a snot back. Thank them and move on.

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