Originally Posted by EvilHorseOfDoom
I have seen people who have taught their horses to bow, paw, "spanish walk" etc and it has caused them nothing but trouble. Most horse people want a horse that does the basic stuff properly using the usual cues, and don't want to be cueing tricks accidentally. Olivia, I understand you were planning on selling your horse in a few years time to buy a camera - teaching it potentially dangerous or annoying tricks like pawing will decrease her resale value.
^^^ right there you are stereotyping I know of horses that know tricks and dressage amd they would be worth over 10 grand but do go on with your close minded opinion.
I am not stereotyping, I am speaking from experience. No professional horse person I know trains horses to do potentially dangerous tricks. They train for a purpose. Dressage and the Australian horse market are what is making those horses worth $10k, not tricks. Tricks are some of the easiest things to teach - and the hardest to unteach when the new owner decides that being pawed all over/reared at isn't that much fun. I would never buy a trick-trained horse, and most other serious horse people I know agree with me.
I have seen your other videos, your horse is very patient and pretty well desensitised already so I don't think there is any need to be doing that stuff. If you really do want to teach your horse something I would suggest looking at trying to improve her reactions times to basic vocal cues and riding aids - get her more sensitive and listening to you. This will improve your relationship (I hate the word "bond") and improve her as a horse and you as a handler/rider. At the moment, and I hope you take this as purely constructive criticism rather than me being rude or anything, the things you are working on are either undesirable to many people or rehashing stuff she knows already so she's getting bored. Even if you weren't planning on selling her any time soon I'd caution against either of these things.
Please just consider what I've written - and feel free to PM me to discuss other
If you can show me with proof that you are a great trainer by videos of yourself I would feel very happy to pm you, but how dp I listen to all these opinions* if I don't know how well experienced the person is them self ?
I am by no means saying that I am a great trainer. I can't take videos whatever I'm doing, I had to sell my horse. I have some basic training knowledge that turned a very dangerous horse into one that hangs out happily with children and is starting to do trails without killing its rider. I had help in the early stages myself from far more knowledgeable people. All I'm offering is some suggestions of simple and interesting things to teach your horse - I have had experience with dealing with a slow-reacting horse in Brock and there are some simple, safe and easy ways to fix this (at least in part). For more advanced stuff I pointed you toward getting a professional trainer and heeding the advice of highly experienced members of HF (not me) who have been trying to help you.
Options for practical training that I think you can do safely. I would still advise you to find a proper trainer - just because your friend rides at 1* level on a good horse does not mean she knows anything about training. There are some very experienced natural and traditional trainers on here (like Cherie for example) who are happy advising anyone who actually listens and takes information on board. I know that's hard when you're young but it is a very important skill to learn.
My friend is an instructor herself breaks in horses and re-sells them. I Have ridden a horse she broke in, her horses are well trained and safer than so MANY horses I have seen, the recent horse she broke in that has been sold is ridden by a 6 year old and the child has no worries at all the horse is confidant,obediant and just every thing you would want in a horse.
I have known instructors and breakers - just giving them a title doesn't make them "good". I would never know any of the good ones to sell a recently broken horse/pony to a 6 year old. EVER. No matter how confident and obedient the horse is there is no way it has got enough years under its belt to be a safe ride for a small child, and a 'trainer' who thinks differently I would seriously question their judgement. Sorry.
This is what the horse forum recently has taught me:
"you have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, correct way, and the only way, it does not exist"
How many horses did Nietche train? There are lots of RIGHT ways to do things with horses, and lots of WRONG ways. What I've seen you do have been wrong ways, plain and simple. You're putting yourself in danger. If your mare were Brock instead I can say right up you would be close on to dead right now. We all start at the beginning and I have no problem with people wanting to start things, but to blatantly ignore good advice is foolish to say the least. Even if you don't care about yourself, you are doing your horse no favours for its future and creating a potentially dangerous situation for any new owners she might have.
I know who I can go to if I need help, I don't like this generalised thinking of tricks are bad ect .
Pawing is dangerous. Full stop. There is no way I would let a kid of mine near a horse that knew how to paw, even if it learned it on cue. Hoof, head, hospital. I don't think all tricks are BAD but I see no real purpose in teaching a horse to do something that has nothing to do with what is required of it daily by most riders. If it's a circus horse, teach it tricks. Otherwise there are so many more useful things to teach it. Teaching safe tricks for the sake of it, like "smiling", is a waste of time in my opinion, but forgivable. Teaching potentially dangerous or nuisance tricks like pawing, bowing and rearing is idiotic (note: I am not saying YOU are an idiot, I am saying the action IS idiotic).
I and many others on this forum (and other forums - I'm an Aussie too so you're a familiar one) have tried and tried and tried to be polite and patient with you, Olivia. My post was not
stereotyping, but you are so determined that you can't possibly make mistakes that until you change your attitude you will never learn. My only hope is that it is just your age getting in the way and you will mature into someone who can accept constructive criticism and improve your horse handling methods.