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    • 1 Post By Dreamcatcher Arabians

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        07-21-2013, 07:11 PM
    thoughts on 'join up'?

    I read somewhere that join up makes the horse listen to you out of fear not trust or respect, what are other peoples thoughts on this?
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        07-21-2013, 07:36 PM
    It's a short cut and doesn't replace consistent fair handling and training, and its usually always implemented the wrong way, and yes it is a fear based parlor trick.
        07-21-2013, 07:37 PM
    I don't think in my opinion that is a true statement. I think that "join up" or what ever you call it is an important part of any young horses education. If done correctly it teaches the horse that with you is the most comfortable place for him to be is with you. I am not a fan of a lot of the "natural horsemanship" techniques but round penning is one area I do think it really makes training easier in many ways.
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        07-21-2013, 08:19 PM
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    I'm not a big fan of join up or Monte Roberts. He normally is the one name that comes up when join up is talked about. However, it does not make the horse listen because of fear. It shows the horse that it can feel more comfort or security with a human than away. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think that it truly creates trust or respect. It may be the starting point. The main thing or only thing I think it really teaches the horse is to be near you.

    I know Monte says that it should be done with every horse before starting its training. That is what I mostly disagree with.
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        07-21-2013, 10:29 PM
    I think it's a way to get people to spend time with their horses. I never heard of join up when I was a kid, but my horses knew that with me was the place for lovin', treats and grooming and would follow me anywhere. They'd do anything I asked because it was me asking and I had never ever even seen a round pen at that time. Time spent with your horse doing things together and scritching all his favorite spots and feeding him, those are what will create the best kind of join up, IMO. The other? Any fool can run a horse in circles til it gives in. Nothing magic about that.
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        07-21-2013, 11:17 PM
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    I think it can be useful for a horse who is focused outward when the handler is either doing online ground work, or even in the saddle. It's about getting the horse to give up his insistence that he can find comfort somewhere outside of the round pen, or away from the handler, and bring his focus back to the handler, so that it's "accessible". Some horses need to be really pushed to make them give up that outward focus, (though there are likely other ways to achieve this).

    But, I think doing it with every horse , just because it's there, is pointless. Do you really have to run a horse around until he's exhausted and begging to get him to pay attention to you?
    Most horses will not move around the pen very long before they want to be with you. Heck, they want to be with you before you even send them away, but working on being able to both send them away and draw them back can help them be better focused on you, and you better able to be constantly aware of where your horse is focused, and being able to keep your horse "with" you, mentally.

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