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        02-10-2014, 12:25 AM
      #21
    Weanling
    I couldn't even watch the entire video I was so disgusted with the first handler & then Linda herself. And it has nothing to do with her being a Parelli or her husband etc. It was just overall bad horse handling. I completely understand what she was trying to do as my farrier has been introducing me to some different NH methods. We do something similar with my little filly for backing up, more of a "push" with the rope than wiggling it, and it works wonderfully. She's picked up on it to the point where I can keep "asking" until she goes where I want her to because we started slow with a hoof at a time. I also indepently work her front & back before combining them.

    This was just disgusting though. And that's poor horse's jaw :/
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        02-10-2014, 12:44 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    Holy Jesus mother of god are you serious??

    These are professionals. This is not a joke? I have to ask, What is the mortality rate amongst Parelli students when their horses finally get sick of the BS?

    I made it to 2:53. The first and last Parelli instructional video I will ever watch.

    Here's an idea: let's put her on the end of that rope and give her a repeat taste of her own medicine. Now that I WOULD watch.
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        02-10-2014, 01:38 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    I want my horse to back up more based on feel than a wiggle in a lead rope. He will back up from both a wiggle, or just a certain energy. Theoretically, if I broke a wrist/arm/ something to where wiggling for a back was rendered impossible, I still want to be able to back my horse up. I can tell my horse to stop, back and send in either direction with overall body language and feel- an untrained eye would think I was just standing there, and that's how I want it.

    With this horse, it's apparent something to the side of the screen is distracting him majorly, what I would have done is work on sending him either way, changing up his direction every second if necessary. Bending and tracking up into his outside fore track to supple his body and eventually his brain. I have a nutter of a horse (sometimes) I've seen him act exactly as this one has and these techniques got him slow and listening in no time.

    Gain respect for the persons space from his shoulder. As Linda is working with him, she has moments of moving his hindquarters to disengage, but the horse is simply moving his shoulders into her as he does this. This is why she keeps having problems getting him to move his shoulder away from her when she deliberately tries to ask for it- he has already learned that he can step in her space like that and will not be corrected for it.

    An overall fail by LP with no use of proper pressure/release and no reading/ interpreting the horses body language in response to her own.
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        02-10-2014, 08:22 AM
      #24
    Super Moderator
    This is just reaffirming why I think all of the horses I have seen belonging to Parelli disciples were 'ill' and just downright mad all the time. I think they get picked at and pecked at until they just get pissed at people in general. When we help Newbies find horses for them and their kids, we steer them as far away from a 'Parelli' horse as we can.
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        02-10-2014, 09:05 AM
      #25
    Trained
    Having seen this video numerous times, her lack of skills still amazes me. However, this is the first time I ever heard that this horse had ANY vision issues. Not sure where that info came from?
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        02-10-2014, 09:40 AM
      #26
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Having seen this video numerous times, her lack of skills still amazes me. However, this is the first time I ever heard that this horse had ANY vision issues. Not sure where that info came from?
    If you look carefully, you can see that on his near side he has no eye at all. I have a friend who's gelding was the same, which is why I noticed it.
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        02-10-2014, 10:05 AM
      #27
    Showing
    We all know that when the head is elevated the horse is on high alert. The thinking processes have stopped, and his body is readying for flight or fight. Linda is lucky he didn't turn on her. If one starts a horse at liberty, not the mindless circles to get the join up but keeping the energy low to keep the horse thinking.
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        02-10-2014, 10:26 AM
      #28
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by amberly    
    backing with the leadline and a horse, you keep your feet still and make the horse move away from you. It shows that the horse respects you and lsitens to you.
    This can help get the horses attention on you and do what you ask.
    Also if the horse is crowding you and you are talking to someone, you don't have to move your feet to make the horse stop crowding you, but instead wiggle the leadrope so the horse moves away and you can still talk to the person - just as an example.

    Wrong.

    It shows nothing but a foolish movement on human's part.

    And doesn't equal respect either.

    I can stand all day long and talk to someone and the horse never crowds me. Horses are perfectly capable of that.

    Also not something that translates well at all to show horses, of any discipline. And would get you run off at a training barn too.

    Horses should be taught to back by light pressure on nose, tipping nose to chest with light as feather touch, western folks are more prone to work off of chest it seems, but either way, accompanied by a voice command, will work and will get horse used to shifting weight to back end.

    The WWJJWHACK method of backing, is a stupid gimmick thought up by fools, who should have it done to them.

    Most of the worst problem horses I have come across, are owned by fans of these fools.
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        02-10-2014, 02:27 PM
      #29
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    I am not advocated a whole bunch of wiggle wiggle whack whack in use to get a hrose to back up, but being able to get a horse to back away, without having to actaully be right there on his face or chest DOES have value.
    Once the hrose knows to back up from a feel on the rope, you can move him back away from you , even if he is already out of physical reach of your hands.
    This is useful and translates into sending the horse away, or moving him through a gate or backing him out of a trailer or out of a stall or . ?

    But, it only works if the horse has an awareness of that feel on the rope, and that only works if the handler has trained him properly.
         
        02-10-2014, 03:44 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    How you choose to back your horse up is your own choice. The idea behind it isn't what bothers me about this. A horse can be trained to do just about anything.

    What is wrong with this is the complete and utter lack of knowledge being usedto teach this horse a fairly simple concept. That horse is upset and confused and a half trained chimp would be able to see that.

    That horse is a saint, actually, for tolerating that like it is.

    IMO that is as close to 'abusing' a horse as you can get short of picking up a 2x4 and going at it for no reason. Grill me for it, go ahead, but what is that horse learning besides resentment, confusion and fear? It certainly isn't learning to back up.
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