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        02-10-2014, 02:53 PM
      #31
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    I can't help but wonder why the owner didn't stop her. Whacking the jaw with that big clip is a good way to fracture it.
         
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        02-10-2014, 02:56 PM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by Paradise    
    How you choose to back your horse up is your own choice. The idea behind it isn't what bothers me about this. A horse can be trained to do just about anything.

    What is wrong with this is the complete and utter lack of knowledge being usedto teach this horse a fairly simple concept. That horse is upset and confused and a half trained chimp would be able to see that.

    That horse is a saint, actually, for tolerating that like it is.

    IMO that is as close to 'abusing' a horse as you can get short of picking up a 2x4 and going at it for no reason. Grill me for it, go ahead, but what is that horse learning besides resentment, confusion and fear? It certainly isn't learning to back up.
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    Actually, I agree with this. The worst thing for me though, is that not only is she confusing the crap out of this horse and doing more harm then good, but she is teaching another person to do the same. Again, this is why I am not a fan of the clinicians. The blind followers will pick stuff up (not really getting it) and they will go home and start messing up their horse.
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        02-10-2014, 05:43 PM
      #33
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    I can't help but wonder why the owner didn't stop her. Whacking the jaw with that big clip is a good way to fracture it.
    Because the owner is apparently the beginner guy in the start of the vid - he is a novice, learning from the 'pro'... which doesn't leave him much hope.

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    How you choose to back your horse up is your own choice. The idea behind it isn't what bothers me about this. A horse can be trained to do just about anything.

    What is wrong with this is the complete and utter lack of knowledge being usedto teach this horse a fairly simple concept. That horse is upset and confused and a half trained chimp would be able to see that.
    Agree thoroughly. Perhaps it was because it was so long ago & I've forgotten the details(I wouldn't use now) of how it was taught to me. Don't have a prob with using a rope wiggle as a cue, or even the occasional snap of the leadrope to 'get attention' but I saw a sorry lesson recently, where a beginner was being instructed... not sure... by a recently qualified PNH instructor. It didn't look much different to the vid we're discussing, come to think of it, except at least the owner wasn't being as forceful & confrontational as LP.

    Cherie, your experience interests me, re Parelli horses, because I've heard this before, just never personally experienced it - met many 'Parelli' horses in my travels, but I don't know many real 'disciples', just many who use the principles... but have brains in their heads to think about what they're doing...

    I thought I did very well not to LOL the other day though, when invited on a ride with above mentioned Parelli instructor & she said anywhere but bridges, because her horse 'didn't do them' - is afraid of bridges!! Ended up deciding I'd probably just be frustrated & make enemies if I went, so I rode elsewhere with someone else... & we just happened to do about 10 foot bridges of various types & heights, even tho her green horse had never experienced one before! ...Mind you, I can't ride over narrow ones with low handrails myself, had to get off & walk those... cos I'm a bit afraid of heights & I make my horse nervous!
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        02-10-2014, 05:46 PM
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    It was all a total cluster. My horses all know how to back with the wiggle…..but they also know other ways. I have no issue with this theory at all. What I take issue is that the horse was so beyond having any vague idea of what they wanted….and they just kept at it. They horse actually took a couple of steps back in the beginning, but, since he was not rewarded in any sort of way for his effort, he became totally befuddled. I really cannot stand LP. I have seen him have some good moments….her on the other hand…..not so much.
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        02-10-2014, 06:00 PM
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    I really cannot stand LP. I have seen him have some good moments….her on the other hand…..not so much.
    I've also seen her on a training vid, supposedly teaching people the importance of timing, in a round pen with a horse.... yelling to someone outside something like 'quick, quick, did you see what he did, give me a treat for him quick, because I don't want to miss the moment!'
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        02-10-2014, 06:44 PM
      #36
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    Her timing in that video was abominable. No other word for it.
         
        02-10-2014, 07:10 PM
      #37
    Yearling
    I couldn't watch the whole thing. Where was the release? Why would you continue doing this? There is no excuse for this
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        02-17-2014, 06:30 PM
      #38
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    Originally Posted by IndiesaurusRex    
    ...- the Parelli's have certainly marketed some good ideas.
    ROFL, you said marketed.
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        02-17-2014, 06:55 PM
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    Just keep in mind that the video is I believe pretty old now. I think its about 12 years old now, I'm just guesstimating though. Also it's unusual to most people to work with anything that is blind or half blind. I think in this video Linda was still very 'do it until it works', as are a lot of us when we first learn a new technique.... Their methods still had some learning and growing to do as well, and just like the rest of us Linda did only what she knew how to do. Even though it was definitely the wrong thing to do, I'm not going to fault her for it, because in the end she learned from the experience and has improved her techniques. Even though I don't like what she did in this video, I still like to learn things from her because she has since improved herself and furthered & bettered her knowledge. The only trainers out there that I don't actually like are the ones who aren't willing to adapt and expand their knowledge
         
        02-17-2014, 08:06 PM
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    Originally Posted by danny67    
    ROFL, you said marketed.
    Ezacly right! Can't blame him for that though, that he's very successfully marketed the ideas he has learned.

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    Linda was still very 'do it until it works', as are a lot of us when we first learn a new technique.... Their methods still had some learning and growing to do as well, and just like the rest of us Linda did only what she knew how to do. Even though it was definitely the wrong thing to do, I'm not going to fault her for it, because in the end she learned from the experience and has improved her techniques.
    If that vid was 12 years old, Linda was by no means new to the 'game'. She was around - albeit not teaching much - when I was into PNH over 20 years ago. I agree with you that growing & evolving our knowledge & skill is of course good & it's great (if) she's learned much better now(not that it'd take much to be better than that eg) but that doesn't change how terrible the 'lesson' was(& others I've seen), and that they saw fit to include them on a training DVD, supposedly teaching general tactics to beginners.
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