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        09-12-2013, 10:54 AM
      #31
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    So what if he just keeps mugging me a a trying to get the treat? I should just stand there and wait for him to back off? Don't smack him or push him away?
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    If you can safely stand and wait by his shoulder (stay with his shoulder -he'll probably circle you a bit) then do that until he looks forward, C+T when he does, at first he'll get really excited, then he'll calm down and think it through, realizing that standing calmly and facing forward is what earns his reward, not mugging. If he's too aggressive for that start on the other side of the stall door. If you watch the video I linked to first you'll see exactly how to do it.
         
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        09-12-2013, 01:28 PM
      #32
    Green Broke
    This is a very interesting thread... I've never even heard of clicker training, before :O
         
        09-12-2013, 01:33 PM
      #33
    Foal
    I did watch the video! I'm so excited to try it! I'm going to do it in his stall this time. I was standing on the other side of a fence when I got bit and he always acts nippy when someone is petting him over a fence. I think it must make him frustrated or something
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        09-12-2013, 04:12 PM
      #34
    Green Broke
    Watch horses play , they will face nip each other. He was doing was is natural.
         
        09-12-2013, 06:26 PM
      #35
    Super Moderator
    To a certain extent everything we do with horses is a sort of a trick - because its not part of their natural lifestyle
    Its how we condition them to do these things that matters - and the most important part of that process is establishing very firm rules and being sure that we aren't actually training them to do something that can lead to a bad habit or a dangerous one
    No horse should expect a treat every time it 'performs' - the treat can be a reward for new learning but once the learning's established the treat can be removed from the picture altogether
    Looking 'hopeful' for a treat is OK but getting pushy and demanding isn't and teaching a horse not to do this can be a good part of its training to respect authority
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        09-12-2013, 11:44 PM
      #36
    Trained
    Oooohhh, this is such a peeve of mine. My girlfriend teaches all her horses to "kiss." I HATE it. They will come right up and just "kiss" anyone. When I flap them away, they are shocked. Well, I warned my friend. She's OK with me doing that. If she wasn't, I wouldn't go near her horses. At least one person is teaching them to stay out of human space unless welcomed in.

    I wish my friend had access to the internet; I would send her this thread.
         
        09-13-2013, 12:57 AM
      #37
    Yearling
    Your horse should not be pushing on you or invading your space. This is where it is good to have a solid foundation on groundwork.

    Before you go back to clicker training, take him out to the round pen and walk trot canter him both directions. Ask him to whoa and yield his hindquarters away from you. Put a lead on (if you need it) and ask him to back. Ideally he should back without a lead on.

    He should be respectful by the end of the lesson. Now you can start with clicker training the back up. Ask him to back 4 steps, click and reward. It shouldn't take long and he should be moving away from you. If he is touching you/nosing you as you back him, then you aren't doing it right. Raise your hands, shake the lead and say back and walk straight towards him as if you will run into him. You may need a whip if he is really stubborn about backing. If he is respectful he will move out of your way. Repeat it with the clicker 3-4 times and quit for the day.

    I do not like to spend more than 5 minutes working on clicker training unless it is something really challenging like Spanish walk or bowing. Maximum of 10 minutes.

    Another yielding exercise you can do with the clicker is side-stepping. Again you are asking the horse to move away from you.

    I have been run over (and luckily unharmed) too many times to ever tolerate a pushy horse. If he is nosing you, back him up! Get him out of your space. You don't have to beat him or hit him in the nose, but push on him and make him move away from you. I don't care if you ask him to move sideways, back, or just move his head away.

    Are you familiar with the porcupine game by parelli?


    Horse Training Games - the Porcupine Game

    I'm not a real big parelli fan, but he does do a good job explaining pressure and release!

    Do not reward pushy behavior! If he is all over you, he is being pushy.
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        09-13-2013, 08:52 AM
      #38
    Foal
    I try the parelli game on him where you push on their nose and they are supposed to back. He gets really pissed when I do that and pins his ears lol. Oh and he doesn't really trot or canter either. Before I got him he was strictly a trail horse so I'm not sure if he was even ever made to trot or canter. I'm trying to work on his manners before I even get to that step. Guess I have my work cut out for me!
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        09-13-2013, 08:53 AM
      #39
    Foal
    I feel like I'm making him sound really bad in these posts but he is actually a really good horse. He behaves so well when riding, his old owner just treated him like a big puppy and let him get away with anything so that's why he thinks its ok. He seems really smart though so I have confidence that I can turn him into a really great horse on the ground too.
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        09-13-2013, 09:35 AM
      #40
    Super Moderator
    This horse did not just bite you 'out of the blue'.

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    I try the parelli game on him where you push on their nose and they are supposed to back. He gets really pissed when I do that and pins his ears lol.
    Really? Lol? This is funny?

    This statement tells me that this horse is VERY disrespectful and has VERY BAD MANNERS. The last thing you need to be doing with him is teaching him 'tricks' and 'games'. The first thing you should be doing is establishing respect and good manners before he takes a hunk out of you or some poor unsuspecting person that gets near him.

    You have NO idea that this horse could become just one of the many vicious horses that end up being put down or sent to the killers because they went from this behavior to attacking people. I am just sitting here shaking my head because you think that this horse threatening you with ears back is funny.
         

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