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trouble with 3 yr olds first trail rides (from ground)

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        11-06-2010, 06:37 PM
    Had to look the 7 games up lol, im not a fan of parelli to be honest, I don't mind it, but I think it costs more than its worth to learn it, on soime horses it works others it dosent, same with all training.

    Yea, I have taught her all of those cues 'games', she free lunges side passes and all sorts at 'liberty' in the round pen.

    If I so much raise my hand from infront of her she backs up (when we re in work mode)
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        11-06-2010, 06:41 PM
    Ok cool, so she follows your cue's when in "work mode", How do you get her into work mode? Maybe she is needing you to spend more time on her to get her in the right frame of mind or 'work mode' before you head out to cross those thresholds that she is clearly trying to tell you she isnt happy about crossing?
        11-08-2010, 12:17 PM
    Shes in 'work mode' as soon as I put her halter on and give her a few cues, I spent around 15 mintuites doing leading exercises before we went out,
    I don't think she gets quite up to her threshold, she just needs to calm down, ima try some targeting to get her head down and then start moving the target along the trail and target some things on the trail like trees or logs.

        11-15-2010, 01:31 AM
    I suggest you get a good rope halter, so she can't 'lean' onto the halter as leverage...I would get one with the extra knots so she has even "less" to lean against, atleast comfortably.

    Drop the clicker training, and start teaching her to respect you, period...she should move her feet in any direction you ask, without question, where ever you are. Start with yielding her hips, especially because you mentioned that she tried to kick you...sorry honey, she's not excited, she's disrespectful, and she needs to be brought back down to reality. There are alot of different NH type methods you can choose from, that will help you gain control of her feet and mind, and keep her from hurting you and others.

    And instead of stopping her when she's scared, just get her feet to move...I feel like a broken record because I say this in pretty much every training thread, but it's what works. Get her mind off of what she's focused on, and back where it belongs...on you...and the way you can quickest, safest, and most effectively do that, is to move her feet...back her, lunge her, do sending exercises, etc, and etc...making her stop and stand and stare at what she's afraid of only gives her ammo, and initiative to decide what to do about it for herself. Take initiative yourself, and get her attention back on you.
        11-20-2010, 02:04 PM
    She really is the most respectfull little mare around our place, its when were out theres a prolem and yeah I know I need to put her in line when she's being disrespectfull, I just don't know how far to go up on the pressure gauge with her.

    I don't use a clicker for much really, I stopped using it for 4 or 5 days the other week, we on the war path of her 'respecting' me with some 'hook on' and other things in the round pen and she was no different in mannerisms, I just think it helps her interest in some things, its nice to be able to reward when they do really well and for them to understand which thing it was that they did right most of the time her reward is just relese of pressure she dosent always get food rewards.
        11-20-2010, 08:14 PM
    I don't really like clicker training for horses (and yes, just my opinion),mainly because they are not motivated by treat rewards like a dog would be, and expecially when you are doing things that require you a distance away from her, you can't click, and treat quickly enough for the horse to know and understand that you were rewarding for something like halting on the lunge, for example.

    And there is a hole in her training somewhere, whether you like that or not, because whether you are in your arena or down the pasture line, or on a trail, she should respond to you and not get so hair brained...she may be nervous because you are nervous, or were nervous on her first outing, but if you had calmed down, or had been calm, she should have still responded to your cues to listen and respect you. Maybe start out a bit 'slower' next take her a short distance away from barn, and retreat back to the barn before she has a chance to get flighty. And gradually go further as she remains with you calmly. Kind of an approach and retreat method if you will. You have to retreat back to the barn before she gets worked up though, so be prepared to have a long time to spend on this.
        11-27-2010, 03:58 PM
    I find with a lot of horses to much ground and not enough riding. Why not work on backing? Go find some obstacles that you both can over come. I say not only get the horses mind focused on a job, but also yours.
        11-30-2010, 03:51 PM
    Yeah I know, but I think 3 1/2 is a bit young, I have a sit on her now and then but I don't think she's ready to start properly, mabey in the spring if not defo summer.

    Attempting to get her comfortable with trails is something I want to get done over the winter so when I've got her under saddle and things are going good we can go for a nice ride out, and not have to get her used to the area around our place..
        11-30-2010, 04:44 PM
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    Thats not too young to be riding. I think its too young for strenuous work but we ride Hunter and he just turned 3. Most of my riding has been light arena riding, working on legs etc. but he has been on a few trail rides too. Just don't go out climbing mountains, barrel racing etc.

    Just looked at you pict, she is a cutie. Hunter is only 14 hand too.
        11-30-2010, 05:01 PM
    Aww thanks, yeah, I would like love to start her now but it dosent feel right, yano? She's got realy fine legs, and isnt mentaly developed if that makes sence, plus the grounds hard and I don't have a sand area atm, like I said I sit, around the world and lay (she does not care in the slightest she just eats, walks to the door, and pretends im not on there lol) on her most nights and she's got alot more balance now so that's good.

    A new year a new start I thinks =)

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