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        10-26-2012, 02:55 AM
      #21
    Weanling
    When I was having a lot of trouble with Phar Lap in the beginning and he was getting really dangerous for me to ride my trainer put him in a round pen and had us join up. He made him keep cantering by throwing the lunge line towards him then he would reel it back in. He made him canter one way until his mouth wasn't so tight lipped. It was easy to miss but I saw the difference and it doesn't last very long. Then he turned him and did the same thing. When he had Phar Lap stop he walked right up to me and I was told to touch his forehead and walk away. He followed me! I even ran around the pen and Phar Lap was with me step for step. It was an amazing feeling for me because of all the struggles I had with him. He was so defiant on EVERYTHING and that moment was just one of the best feelings. Ever since then I can just call his name and he will come right up to me and follow me anywhere no matter where we are. And before he never wanted much to do with me.
         
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        10-26-2012, 03:22 AM
      #22
    Trained
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    He followed me! I even ran around the pen and Phar Lap was with me step for step. It was an amazing feeling for me because of all the struggles I had with him. He was so defiant on EVERYTHING and that moment was just one of the best feelings.
    Love the name of your horse BTW - just hope his feet aren't as bad as his namesake's were!

    Yes, I think it is precisely experiences like yours that have made people think of this trick as such magic. When they don't know any other way, it seems amazing that a horse would follow a person & come when called! But this trick, when done effectively is just basic applied behavioural psychology & there are many roads to Rome. For eg. I personally prefer to teach the horse that I'm a Good Thing that they *want* to be with, rather than just the better evil because they're put to work if they don't follow.
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        10-26-2012, 08:49 AM
      #23
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    It is always nice to hear that someone has improved their relationship with their horse so congrats on that
    I am with loosie on this though. I have owned numerous horses and achieved the same results that you have without ever needing to run them around a pen. Its all about a day by day build up of trust that isn't just about working them or doing groundwork with them its about taking care of them, teaching them boundaries in fair consistent way, praise for good behaviour just being there for them. If you have trust then everything else will follow because they believe in you. Its not magical even though it does feel that way.
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        10-26-2012, 02:32 PM
      #24
    Weanling
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    Love the name of your horse BTW - just hope his feet aren't as bad as his namesake's were!

    Yes, I think it is precisely experiences like yours that have made people think of this trick as such magic. When they don't know any other way, it seems amazing that a horse would follow a person & come when called! But this trick, when done effectively is just basic applied behavioural psychology & there are many roads to Rome. For eg. I personally prefer to teach the horse that I'm a Good Thing that they *want* to be with, rather than just the better evil because they're put to work if they don't follow.
    My boy's feet are a lot better but he isn't raced over and over again with a TON of weight on his back. ;)

    Not to take this off subject, but it is my biggest dream to see the real Phar Lap some day in the museum. I would probably bust out crying.
         
        10-26-2012, 08:54 PM
      #25
    Trained
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    Not to take this off subject, but it is my biggest dream to see the real Phar Lap some day in the museum. I would probably bust out crying.
    Are you in Oz? Better sooner rather than later, cos he's looking a little ratty these days! I nearly cried when I saw the poor feet he still managed to race on.
         
        10-26-2012, 11:10 PM
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Are you in Oz? Better sooner rather than later, cos he's looking a little ratty these days! I nearly cried when I saw the poor feet he still managed to race on.
    I'm an Aussie and still not seen him. I'm terrible - I'll have to go visit as soon as I get down to Melbourne. Poor Phar Lap...
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        10-26-2012, 11:32 PM
      #27
    Trained
    Seen one chestnut racehorse, seen em all!
         
        10-26-2012, 11:47 PM
      #28
    Started
    Heehee, must say Star does bear a resemblance (despite being nearly 3 hands smaller).
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        10-27-2012, 12:14 AM
      #29
    Trained
    Yeah, he was certainly a big boy!
         
        10-27-2012, 06:51 AM
      #30
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Are you in Oz? Better sooner rather than later, cos he's looking a little ratty these days! I nearly cried when I saw the poor feet he still managed to race on.
    I am in Georgia. I will probably never be able to make it to Australia to see him. I thought they redid him and reunited him with his heart recently? That just sounded really weird......
         

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