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    07-08-2009, 02:28 PM
Green Broke
Ooops, I went out earlier, but forgot el camera-o. When I go out later tonight I will get it.
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    08-18-2009, 05:57 PM
This probably won't be the most popular post but after you smack the ground and he doesn't move smack him on the rump. I gaurantee you can't hurt him and he wil almost certainly move out. Now if he bucks then pull him to a stop yeild his hindquarters and start him the other way. Offer him with your hand. Point and cluck, lift the stick, smack the ground and then if he is still not moving give him one on the rump. Don't waste time doing it either it should happen about as fast as you can read it. You are offering him no consequences for ignoring you. If your parents ask you to clean your room but you ignore them and nothing happens why in the world would you clean your room.
    08-18-2009, 07:09 PM
I see so many post about this type of subject and want to throw out a couple of observations about training horses.
This may or may not apply to this situation.

Many horses that come in for training to us are grossly out of shape and completely out of condition.
They have been standing around a small stall and eating for a while and really have no lungs or legs to work.

IN ADDITION they have very little WORK ETHIC and the two problems go hand in hand.
You need one to get the other.
The amount of work that a horse that is in tip top condition and a stand around the stall horse can do is just night and day.

So I just want to bring up the question of how fit your horse is and how you condition your horse.
What do you expect from a round pen session?
Does the horse sweat and how much?

In my experience it can take from three to six months to properly condition a horse and that is with a regular schedule of work and depending on the final goal.
The difference in the horse is nothing short of incredible with their attitude.
A healthy horse LOVES to run!
    08-18-2009, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Marecare    
A healthy horse LOVES to run!

I don't mean to be nit picky or start a fight or anything but running is not always a sign of a healthy horse. Usually it is but not always. For instance, my mare was about 200 pounds overweight when I first started working with her and she would always try to run. Only in her case she was running to get away from the "intense" situation she was in. Now that she's healthy she loves to run for the fun of it but she'll still fearfully run on the lunge line (or when free lunging her) if I accidentally put too much pressure on her.

I just wanted to clear that up so in case an uninformed someone came along and read what you posted, they hopefully won't decide that their geriatric overweight terrified pony wants to run run run on the lunge because it's healthy.

Sorry for going off topic.
    08-18-2009, 10:32 PM
I'll kind of agree with Wallaby. My horse is very healthy but he doesn't love to run....it's too much work!! LOL! Now he will go when asked to if I've had a pretty provocative play session with him, but is it his favorite thing to do? Nope, lol!
    08-19-2009, 10:26 AM
Green Broke
Whoops I forgot the video.

On another note, he refuses to run because he doesnt have steady footing. I think. When our riding ring/round pen area is fiished and he is still having issues, I will look back to this thread.

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    08-19-2009, 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Whispering Silver    
mybest friends arab used to head toss and she got some kind of rein that attached to the noseband, behind the chin and the other end attached to a breastgirth. This rein was loose enough that the horse could move its head but tight enough that it couldnt toss its head. It sounds cruel but it was only used for about two weeks, every ride. I don't know what the rein was called sorry as I have never used one myself but apparently it also works with a stirrup leather if you have a long one, loop it through the breat girth and noseband then buckle it fairly tight.
You are thinking of a martingale. It's not a rein..
There are two types of martingales. Using a stirrup leather as a martingale? I don't think that makes any sense at all..or would work, for that matter.
But a martingale definitely wouldn't help Zeph's problem. Her horse doesn't toss it's head, it's bucking and rearing. A martingale won't help her at all.
    08-19-2009, 12:00 PM
I'm pretty sure she is talking about a tie-down. Please don't use on unless you are team roping. Good horsemanship will do things much better than more staps and gimmicks.
    08-19-2009, 02:45 PM
From what I've read here I'm guessing that your horse just simply doesn't understand lunging. It's quite possible that he's never been on a line before and you're asking for things that he just can't give.

Lunging can be VERY taxing on an out of shape horse. (not to mention potentially dangerous to tendons and muscles) You wouldn't pull a pasture puff off their knee high grass and ask for a 15 sec barrel pattern would you??? I know you won't find my butt in an intense aerobic class at the local gym!!!! Remember that a thin-to healthy weight horse can still be out of shape...it's not just the fatty mcbutter pants horses that need conditioning.

Slow down, ask for some hands on local help, try a few weeks of walking on the line...will he/she do that?? Verbal commands for Walk, trot, & canter are going to be VERY helpful. Tho not necessarily "needed". I'm urging for you to get local/ hands on help because I think that proper lunging is next to impossible to teach on the net because you need to be able to read the horse and any advice we give you will be nothing more than educated guesses without being able to see the horse in action.

Kevin is right, you don't want a tie down. You don't want martingales. You want results and that means breaking this communication barrier down to the basics and starting at walk.

Good Luck and keep us updated.

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