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    09-14-2010, 07:06 PM
  #11
Yearling
I like the idea of NH to one extent or another, I do not believe that it is a fix all, do all training tactic though, and in fact I don't believe that the clinicians believe that either, they just market it that way. I think it's a great part of a training program and a good foundation, but the best trainers can adapt to a horse's needs for training and integrate everything.
     
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    09-15-2010, 09:00 AM
  #12
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(The dog training discussion previously posted here can now be found here, Dog training. Please pm me with questions or comments regarding these posts being moved so as to minimize the disruption to this thread.)
     
    09-19-2010, 03:47 PM
  #13
Yearling
To me, natural horsemanship simply means communicating to the horse in it's own langueage. When I lunge in the round pen, using Monty Roberts and John Lyons 'Round Pen Reaoning' I am talking to the horse with my body, my actions, in his own langueage. And every horse on the planet knows this langueage.

I use this training, only when I need to restablish dominance and to build a bond. For tying, saddleing, I guess I use more mechanical methods, and picking up feet. I believe if a horse tries to bite, give him a little slap to let him know it's wrong!

I don't think Natural Horsemanship could ever be a training program in itself. I also don't belive that "Natural Horsemanship" is, oh, if the horse kicks me, I'll hike my leg up and kick him back like in the wild. No, that's stupid, dumb, and could cause serious injury to you way more than it ever could the horse.

But on the basic level, I think it is the best way to etablish dominance, and a bond of trust with your horse. And, let me tell you, there is nothing more magical then having that horse follow you around the pen without a single use of mechanical equipment, only body languege. To have the horse stop when you stop, without even touching him in anyway. To turn when you turn. It's just amazing.
     
    09-19-2010, 04:24 PM
  #14
Trained
I agree Chevy, great post.

Natural Horsemanship has been around since the Ancient Greeks. Xenophom wrote a book discussing on how to utalize the natural behavior in horses and learning to work with them in this manner, instead of using human force.

I think that is where the term Natural horsemanship came from, due to Xenophom's book, discussing how Trainers can utalize the horses natural behavior when working with them on a one to one basis. Which I like.

I love the fact that many top level trainers use Natural Horsemanship on a daily basis and incorporate its importancies to their handlers and students. I see A Cirtcuit Hunter/Jumper barns using it, and I see GP Jumpers using it and Eventers from lower levels to Olympic Level using it. I see and hear Top Level Dressage Competators incorporating it in their Clinics and daily riding/handling's.

I really like what the Top Dressage German Guru said in a Clinic I was watching, Reiner Kimkle say to his packed audience "It is not our horses job to learn our language, it is our job to learn theirs and learn how to communicate with them as clearly as we can for them to understand what it is that we are asking of them"

I also love how the Native Americans followed their form of Natural Horsemanship. They spoke horse, learnt how to communicate through the horses language and were able to perform amazing feats. I like Gawani Pony Boy. I have his book and it is very interesting.

I love how Natural Horsemanship teaches us to learn to read body language, how to speak through ours and how to form a relationship between horse and man in their language, not ours.

I am not a horseperson who follows any 1 "Natural Horseman" Trainer of today. I take pieces from each one, and what they offer. Speaking Horse is Speaking Horse regardless of who you follow, they all lead to the same destination, just different paths are offered. I am not a die hard follower as well, and I don't get into the marketing that they throw at us.

I like the basics, just as Chevy said. I use the basics on a daily basis, and I've helped friend with their horses incorporating the basics in their handlings of their horses. I've seen it do wonders for both parties.
     
    09-21-2010, 04:37 PM
  #15
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ChevyPrincess    
I don't think Natural Horsemanship could ever be a training program in itself. I also don't belive that "Natural Horsemanship" is, oh, if the horse kicks me, I'll hike my leg up and kick him back like in the wild. No, that's stupid, dumb, and could cause serious injury to you way more than it ever could the horse.
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing too many training videos or anything on natural horseman ship, but I try to do what comes natural to me and what works the best from what I can tell. Well with my very agressive mare this worked wonderfully. On a lead rope if she ever tried to run me over, or anything like that, I would turn towards her and kick her right in the chest. Obviously not hard enough to hurt her, but enough to tell her I'm boss, you listen to me, but in the pasture, no I don't think I'd go kicking at her where I have no control of whether she is going to kick back, but there were times when I first got her that when I came into get her out of the pasture she would run away from me, and if I chased after her she would kick at the air. So I grabbed our grain buckets and everytime she kicked I threw a bucket at her and hit her in the side. Since that, she's never kicked at me again or for that matter ran away. She walks right up to me when I come in now usually licking her lips.
     
    09-21-2010, 11:36 PM
  #16
Foal
To me, NH is the way to go. It recognizes that there is no one solution, that accomplishments take WORK, that horsemanship comes from a basis of knowledge and application. That it functions off the ideal that horses and humans are partners. Neither is sovereign over the other. The human is merely a leader or "alpha".
     
    09-22-2010, 12:26 AM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by BitlessForHappiness    
That it functions off the ideal that horses and humans are partners.
A horse in NOT my partner. Saying someone or something is your partner you are saying they have an equal say in what happens where you go and what you do. That is not how it works. That in one of the big problems I see with people who follow NH. They want to be their horses friend and partner.

You can be nice and even handed but you are the boss and the leader. The horse gets no say in anything.
     
    09-22-2010, 12:37 AM
  #18
Foal
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
A horse in NOT my partner. Saying someone or something is your partner you are saying they have an equal say in what happens where you go and what you do. That is not how it works. That in one of the big problems I see with people who follow NH. They want to be their horses friend and partner.

You can be nice and even handed but you are the boss and the leader. The horse gets no say in anything.
I'm not my horses friend, but I am her partner. She brings the power and speed, I bring the guidance. Sounds like a difference of opinion in the definition of the word. For example: When I am jumping, I can line her up, but at some point I have to give her her head and let her do the work. I'd rather not argue, but I disagree wholeheartedly.
     
    09-22-2010, 10:42 AM
  #19
Weanling
"The horse gets no say in anything."

Self indulging, egotistical, arrogant, pompous attitude.
     
    09-22-2010, 10:50 AM
  #20
Trained
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Originally Posted by spirithorse8    
"The horse gets no say in anything."

Self indulging, egotistical, arrogant, pompous attitude.
That is your thoughts and that is fine. However I have NEVER been injured by a horse. Not even the stallions I have collected and bred of mine or out side stallions. Not from a mare deciding she does not want to do something. I can walk a stallion through and a herd of mares with out so much as a wispier. I can put my stallion next to mares with one strand of Hot wire. Right now Te is next to a mare with just one hot wire which is not on and has not been for about a year. WHY? B/C all my horses under stand one thing. I am in charge. They have no say in anything while they are on the end of a lead. Fences are not suggestions they are hard and fast rules.


They are 1/2 ton animals. I am not going to put myself or any one who is on my property in danger b/c my animals can not be controlled. Since you can not physically control a 1000lbs horses body you MUST control his mind.

So in the end you can think what you want. However I am not going to change what I do and end up in the hospital or hurt b/c I loose control of a horse.
     

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