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        04-27-2010, 10:38 PM
      #21
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    Thank you Scoutrider :)
         
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        04-27-2010, 10:59 PM
      #22
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    I'm not against NH, just Parelli. ;)
         
        04-27-2010, 11:14 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    I think it is really sad that someone can't just post what they are doing with their horse without being slammed for doing what they love. It isnt just this thread but many threads on here. So called prof. Instructors/ trainers are telling people to get prof. Help so when they do they get slammed for not getting the right prof. Help?

    Who cares if you don't like Parelli, there are many, many people who do all over the world. What bothers me a lot if Parelli is so bad and ruins horses than why do such greats as David & Karen O'Connor , Walter Zettl to name a few use the methods to communicate with their horses? These trainers/riders must know nothing about horses?

    Nobody is asking you to like Parelli, but if SpiritHorse wants to post videos of her riding her horse she should be able to without being bashed for what form of Horsemanship she uses.
         
        04-28-2010, 03:20 AM
      #24
    Yearling
    I guess I am the bad guy on this particular thread, funny you would think I'd care more. This is a forum, a site specifically designed for communication and the airing of opinions and ideas, I don't know about the rest of you but I live in a free country.

    Here's the thing that I don't understand, this is a genuine query, not intended to bag anyone or be inflamatory. Also this is based solely on my own opinion which I am freely airing on this FORUM. I look at my own horse, I am purely (at this stage) a trail horse rider. She is forward moving, carries herself well, goes through any obstacle I have put in front of her. She never balks at anything, never pulls to rush home, I can ride with friends and have them canter off away from my horse with no reaction and definitely no problem. I did the math today and she has been under saddle for 17 months. The weekend just gone by I put her over her first jump, a small log that she jumped beautifully with no hesitation, she jumped properly with plenty of lift and great balance. I have spent $60 on one day at a Buck Brannaman clinic. Other than this amount I have spent no money on training my horse, most of what I have done with my horse has been achieved by using my personal experience accumulated over approximately 30 years of horse riding.

    One day in the near future I will invest in a trainer and get lessons in drssage and jumping. I expect it will cost me a lot of money but I am also certain that the rewards will validate the cost of a trainer. What I really and truly do not understand is, Spirithorse, judging by your posts you have been 'doing' Parelli for a long time, I would imagine you have spent a LOT of money on it. For all the money that you have spent have you got your moneys worth? If I spent as much money as you must have done on a training method I would expect to be at a highly competitive level. Or at the least have a horse that refused nothing, EVER.
         
        04-28-2010, 11:26 PM
      #25
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    Yes, I have been involved in Parelli for awhile. I got into it when I was 12, so I really didn't "start doing Parelli" for a few years...but I knew the very very very basics of it. Once I really started studying it and getting serious is when I started making progress. However with school, lots of moving, lack of facility, and life in general got in the way of my progress. This is not an excuse, I don't make excuses, it's just straight fact. Once I actually had the time (but not facility) to focus on my horsemanship my first Levels horse started going blind. Even through all that we were still playing in Level 4 ground work, Level 3 riding. That's when I got Arie. Are you familiar with Arie's past? It was pretty bad. He was pushed VERY hard in eventing training and still goes to that "dark place" every now and then, hence why he still becomes unconfident with jumping (with a rider). He jumps 3 ft. Without a rider and never refuses. He has come leaps and bounds since I got him....he couldn't even walk over a ground pole confidently when I got him.
    I might not be competing YET, but I do plan to because Arie has loads of potential. I just have a different way of getting to that goal than some people :) Do I think I've gotten my moneys worth? You bet. Just because I'm not in the show ring YET doesn't mean I'm not successful. Each time I work with a new horse, or advance a horse's skills, I am successful because I've done it in a way that works FOR the horse and that has put my principles before my goal. In turn the horse offers me more try, more play, more obedience, more heart. Parelli is not natural for people. That's why a lot of people don't like it. It's uncomfortable and can challenge people's comfort zones as far as what they think they knew about horses....a lot of people don't like change. However in order to become "balanced" we need to be open and willing to all these things....we need to be open to learning.
    IMO Parelli outlines a great pathway to success for those of us interested in performance. All the skills I practice with Arie online, at Liberty and riding Freestyle I absolutely feel the difference when I finally pick up the reins and ask Arie for more. I DO expect a lot of Arie each time I work with him, if not our sessions don't go well. He NEEDS to be challenged....I NEED to take him to the limit (mentally) but not over the limit. That's how I keep his mind with me. Otherwise I'm boring. Horses like my Rango, who was a total extrovert, was easy in the sense that he was always ready to go, ready to try, naturally very playful, LOVED attention....where Arie can go between introvert and extrovert, needs a reason to do what I'm asking, can take or leave attention from me, is very independent and dominant and still battles negative opinions of people. He is VERY challenging and he has pushed me to learn more and to become who HE needs me to be....not a certain mold, but who he as an individual needs me to be as his leader. It's completely differernt from Rango. The biggest reward with Arie has been seeing his play drive come up. He's so playful now and WANTS to play with me which is HUGE for him. The smallest, seemingly insignificant things are the huge successes with us....but those small things are the foundation to the "fancy stuff" that we will eventually do.
         
        04-28-2010, 11:40 PM
      #26
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    Yes, I have been involved in Parelli for awhile. I got into it when I was 12, so I really didn't "start doing Parelli" for a few years...but I knew the very very very basics of it. Once I really started studying it and getting serious is when I started making progress. However with school, lots of moving, lack of facility, and life in general got in the way of my progress. This is not an excuse, I don't make excuses, it's just straight fact. Once I actually had the time (but not facility) to focus on my horsemanship my first Levels horse started going blind. Even through all that we were still playing in Level 4 ground work, Level 3 riding. That's when I got Arie. Are you familiar with Arie's past? It was pretty bad. He was pushed VERY hard in eventing training and still goes to that "dark place" every now and then, hence why he still becomes unconfident with jumping (with a rider). He jumps 3 ft. Without a rider and never refuses. He has come leaps and bounds since I got him....he couldn't even walk over a ground pole confidently when I got him.
    I might not be competing YET, but I do plan to because Arie has loads of potential. I just have a different way of getting to that goal than some people :) Do I think I've gotten my moneys worth? You bet. Just because I'm not in the show ring YET doesn't mean I'm not successful. Each time I work with a new horse, or advance a horse's skills, I am successful because I've done it in a way that works FOR the horse and that has put my principles before my goal. In turn the horse offers me more try, more play, more obedience, more heart. Parelli is not natural for people. That's why a lot of people don't like it. It's uncomfortable and can challenge people's comfort zones as far as what they think they knew about horses....a lot of people don't like change. However in order to become "balanced" we need to be open and willing to all these things....we need to be open to learning.
    IMO Parelli outlines a great pathway to success for those of us interested in performance. All the skills I practice with Arie online, at Liberty and riding Freestyle I absolutely feel the difference when I finally pick up the reins and ask Arie for more. I DO expect a lot of Arie each time I work with him, if not our sessions don't go well. He NEEDS to be challenged....I NEED to take him to the limit (mentally) but not over the limit. That's how I keep his mind with me. Otherwise I'm boring. Horses like my Rango, who was a total extrovert, was easy in the sense that he was always ready to go, ready to try, naturally very playful, LOVED attention....where Arie can go between introvert and extrovert, needs a reason to do what I'm asking, can take or leave attention from me, is very independent and dominant and still battles negative opinions of people. He is VERY challenging and he has pushed me to learn more and to become who HE needs me to be....not a certain mold, but who he as an individual needs me to be as his leader. It's completely differernt from Rango. The biggest reward with Arie has been seeing his play drive come up. He's so playful now and WANTS to play with me which is HUGE for him. The smallest, seemingly insignificant things are the huge successes with us....but those small things are the foundation to the "fancy stuff" that we will eventually do.
    Spirithorse- Is it Parelli you follow and beleive in, or Natural Horsemanship? Parelli sells things, nothing more, IMHO. Natural Horsemanship is a different hting altogether. It's a shame they have been bundled together.
         
        04-28-2010, 11:46 PM
      #27
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    Your opinion and my opinion don't match, so I can't really answer your question. However I can tell you my opinion. IMO Parelli initiated the NH "movement." They DID NOT create the idea of NH, nor do they take credit for it. I've tried other NH programs before and they didn't do anything for me, or didn't advance me to my liking....or they simply didn't work. Parelli, IMO, is complete. The problem is that ANYONE can say they do NH. A lot of time it's just a bunch of imitation, not emulation.
         
        04-28-2010, 11:48 PM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    Your opinion and my opinion don't match, so I can't really answer your question. However I can tell you my opinion. IMO Parelli initiated the NH "movement." They DID NOT create the idea of NH, nor do they take credit for it. I've tried other NH programs before and they didn't do anything for me, or didn't advance me to my liking....or they simply didn't work. Parelli, IMO, is complete. The problem is that ANYONE can say they do NH. A lot of time it's just a bunch of imitation, not emulation.
    Out opninions never will meet. I don't think Parelli is complete at all, just a gimmick. Do not protect parelli with your every whim, and I will not bask it as hard. Just except that we all disagree, so lets agree to disagree.
         
        04-28-2010, 11:51 PM
      #29
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    I will not change my behavior/opinions just to please you.....or call off your bashing. I don't care if you like Parelli or not. I don't care if you agree or disagree with me. I don't care what you think of my skills. I accepted A LONG TIME AGO that we won't agree.....why haven't you? I'm not the one with an issue here.
         
        04-29-2010, 01:59 AM
      #30
    Yearling
    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions Spirithorse. I never intend to be insulting, my husband tells me that I have a tendency to be as subtle as a half brick with people and a misplaced belief that people want my opinion. I think that people have different ways to learn and obviously Parelli really keys in to what motivates and inspires you. I am different and like to beat to my own drum. I do not relate well to any organised faction and which includes any religeon of any type. Anywho, thank you for taking the time to post I have a better understandoing of where you are coming from, while we are both taking different roads ultimately I think we are going in the same direction. Good luck, and will see you on other threads!
         

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