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        06-24-2010, 06:14 PM
      #51
    Weanling
    Ok Jolly Badger, that one really made me laugh! Sounds like it would make a great comic strip!

    The whole prey predator thing is greatly overplayed. I've worked with feral and abused horses that are able to get over the thought that they might get eaten relatively quickly. I don't find that most people approach horses like a predator would, I find people that approach their horses similar to how they would approach a car, thinking that this button should do this and that button should do that instead of looking for communication from both sides. When the darn buttons don't work, that's when things start getting confusing for both parties involved.

    When I was 13, I was sent into an 18 acre open pasture with 12 horses in it to catch one paso mare that was afraid to be caught. My trainer sent me out and said "if you want to work with the horse, you have to catch it". Now, I know catching it was the biggest part of the work and you figure out how to be "natural" pretty quickly when your tools are you, a halter, and a herd of horses for a few hours to catch the flightiest of the group. There wasn't anyone there to teach me about their language, I simply figured out what made them run and what made them come, learning my lines and knowing when to push and when to wait. It seems that most people I meet with horses now only want answers given to them, they never want to figure them out, the think that it all must come with an instruction manual.
         
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        06-24-2010, 06:53 PM
      #52
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    Parelli says to figure out probs yourself in Level 2, because independent prob solving's a must for anything past kindergarten horsemanship. I feel that instruction is helpful, too; can give you answers that might've taken you years to acquire on your own, help prevent accidents, etc.
         
        06-25-2010, 12:59 AM
      #53
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    If you think like a human and use human logic with horses, you will never reach your full potential and the horse will never reach his.
         
        06-25-2010, 04:55 AM
      #54
    Lis
    Yearling
    I personally am not a fan of Parelli because I had a look into for my last loan since the owner raved about how good it was. Personally I don't think that much of it and I wasn't that impressed with her horse and his manners because she was one of the ones who didn't believe in correction. Yet I much prefered the pony who was owned by a practical, down to earth person because he had manners and had the good kind of spunk. He was going to reach his full potential a lot quicker and a lot better than the other one.
         
        06-25-2010, 07:59 AM
      #55
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    If you think like a human and use human logic with horses, you will never reach your full potential and the horse will never reach his.
    Sorry, Spirit, I disagree. Unless you can read horse's mind (and I don't believe anyone in a world can) you'll never think like a horse. Doesn't matter how smart or special you are. You can understand the horse and where the certain behavior is coming from (and even then it's more like a guess), and train the way it would be clear (and enjoyable) for the horse, but you are not a horse and can't think like one. Still we have those awesome riders in any discipline with the horses which love what they are doing.
         
        06-25-2010, 08:47 AM
      #56
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    Originally Posted by Beling    
    It seems as though many people think Parelli = DVDs, books, special expensive equipment, and that all this is wrapped up in a promise for "success"??? But I don't believe that's entirely true. The Parelli System has real, live teachers, who DO think for themselves-- they're not carbon copies, at least in my experience--and they expect you to think things out. They are crucial to the program. I never heard of anyone trying to train a horse using ONLY DVDs and lesson plans! You could easily find yourself confusing your horse.

    Just wanted to throw that in, to be fair. (I'm not a Parelli student, also can't afford it, but I go to their clinics, and the teachers are generous in their help. If you didn't know, you'd think they weren't Parelli...)
    You have obviously not read many of the Parelli posts on this forum and any other horse forum.

    A VERY large number of the people that do Parelli never work with a live person. They say they can not afford a trainer, etc. They buy the DVDs because the system is touted as being a complete system where anyone can become a horse trainer.
         
        06-25-2010, 11:26 AM
      #57
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Sorry, Spirit, I disagree. Unless you can read horse's mind (and I don't believe anyone in a world can) you'll never think like a horse. Doesn't matter how smart or special you are. You can understand the horse and where the certain behavior is coming from (and even then it's more like a guess), and train the way it would be clear (and enjoyable) for the horse, but you are not a horse and can't think like one. Still we have those awesome riders in any discipline with the horses which love what they are doing.
    ^^This!

    There is a difference between "thinking like" a horse and simply understanding horse behavior well enough to use it as part of training (without going overboard).

    I've noticed that a lot of people who try to "think like a horse" get really tense and over-analytical about every little movement, especially when they're caught up in the idea of the predator/prey relationship, or what the horse is indicating using its own body language.

    Every flick of the ear, every swish of the tail or stomp of a foot must "mean" something, right? And no, I am not singling-out the Parelli folks here, because there are plenty of people who have never so much as picked up a "Carrot Stick" who do the same thing.
         
        06-25-2010, 11:28 AM
      #58
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    You have obviously not read many of the Parelli posts on this forum and any other horse forum.

    A VERY large number of the people that do Parelli never work with a live person. They say they can not afford a trainer, etc. They buy the DVDs because the system is touted as being a complete system where anyone can become a horse trainer.
    Yep, I've seen (and met) the type you describe. They'll put themselves in debt to buy a "club" membership and all of the books and DVDs and training gadgets that go along with it, but insist that they cannot "afford" a trainer.
         
        06-25-2010, 11:37 AM
      #59
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    Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
    Yep, I've seen (and met) the type you describe. They'll put themselves in debt to buy a "club" membership and all of the books and DVDs and training gadgets that go along with it, but insist that they cannot "afford" a trainer.
    Those are the types who have 'Black Stallion Syndrome' and think they can train their horse themselves with lurve, an expensive twirly, flickitatin' rope, and DVDs.

    It apparently doesn't matter that they've never even owned a horse before, since it's all about the 7 Games, how to 'think' like a horse, and their animal's 'horsenality'. I seriously laughed out loud when I first saw that word.

    Horsenality my big, fat, jiggly, cellulited behind! What won't the Mustachioed one and his Bitter Half do to take some poor naive fool's money?
         
        06-25-2010, 11:44 AM
      #60
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    

    Every flick of the ear, every swish of the tail or stomp of a foot must "mean" something, right?
    Right! And it can not be that there is a fly on my belly that just will not go away or that someone down the street just made a funky noise.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    

    Horsenality my big, fat, jiggly, cellulited behind!
    Eeek. Mental image. Eye bleach.
         

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