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        06-25-2010, 10:49 AM
      #61
    Showing
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        06-25-2010, 10:50 AM
      #62
    Banned
    My back end is not any better so I know just what you are talking about.
         
        06-25-2010, 12:07 PM
      #63
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    If you think like a human and use human logic with horses, you will never reach your full potential and the horse will never reach his.
    That's a pretty bold statement and exactly the reason why people get so "het up" about Parelli. A statement like that coming from a teenager who has accomplished next to nothing in her equestrian career is pretty ignorant. How is it for YOU to decide that whoever doesn't use Parelli is using "human logic"? Or are you now admitting that any form of "natural horsemanship" is acceptable?
         
        06-25-2010, 07:29 PM
      #64
    Foal
    I think that we all can agree that there is no substitute for experience. If all the humans who own horses have been blessed with the experience and mentorship it takes to truly understand the horse then there is absolutey no need for the "training in a box" type of thing.

    Unfortunately this is not the case. There are far more unexperienced people who own a horse than there are experienced ones--or there would not be any need for trainers.

    Personally I think that all of the top respected trainers who have spent the time and money creating a step by step training method should be given a great deal of respect. After all what is the alternative???

    Training is indeed a planned progression of learning. Starting with a plan is way better than starting with nothing. Do these plans fit every circumstance--hell no. Do they fit most--yes. Do they instill a good way of thinking--yes. Do they provide the basic skills required--yes.

    None of us here in this forum are as successful as Pat. None of us have spent years and lots of money creating something that most probably has done more for the average horse owner than anything that has come along since the calvary manual of horse training back in 1899.

    Its too easy to pick things apart--to show our own personal knowledge and expertise???

    My hat is off to Pat, Clinton, Ray, and all the others who have had the guts to do something positive for the horse.
         
        06-26-2010, 02:43 PM
      #65
    Weanling
    No, I didn't know the program-DVDs etc promise to do it all! All the Parelli-invloved I've ever met started with clinics. They have phone numbers and emails of people to call. The local bunch have meets every month, where the more experienced help the starters, and if there are ANY questions/problems, they can call the office. I don't believe anyone is expected to follow the program in isolation. I'll ask about that this weekend, when we're trailering a friend's colt to a small meet.

    (Very good post, 5cuetrain.)
         
        06-26-2010, 06:48 PM
      #66
    Showing
    But, no amount of chat rooms or phone calls can take the place of a trainer that is right there with you and can be hands on if you get confused.
         
        06-28-2010, 02:47 PM
      #67
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beling    
    No, I didn't know the program-DVDs etc promise to do it all! All the Parelli-invloved I've ever met started with clinics. They have phone numbers and emails of people to call. The local bunch have meets every month, where the more experienced help the starters, and if there are ANY questions/problems, they can call the office. I don't believe anyone is expected to follow the program in isolation. I'll ask about that this weekend, when we're trailering a friend's colt to a small meet.

    (Very good post, 5cuetrain.)
    Call which office? The main Parelli office?

    Don't you have to be a Parelli/Savvy Club "member" to call the office? As in, paying monthly dues?

    See, that's where things start to get a little too "weird" and cult-like for me when it comes to the BN/NH trainers and their training programs.
         
        06-29-2010, 02:56 PM
      #68
    Weanling
    Okay, you're right, the Parelli Program IS supposed to be entirely successful WITHOUT human instructors. That is really unrealistic! I heard they've tried to make it more "user friendly" but really, dealing with horses can be quite dangerous to start with just a DVD--!

    That said, I STILL haven't met anyone who hasn't had one-on-one sessions at clinics or in lessons. These trainers often leave their phone numbers: that's what I meant about calling. The latest trainer to come was David Lichman, who also evaluates videos (my friend has sent a couple in). You don't have to be a member for this. (You don't even have to pay, if you don't like the advice.)

    I think the cult-like part is because of their Play Days, when they all get together, etc. I agree it's kind of cultish, but it's fun, and unlike most other trainer systems (are there any?) it's a social event, and for many, it's an encouragement to keep trying to improve.
         
        06-29-2010, 03:01 PM
      #69
    Showing
    Every trainer I've ever worked with or known has 'play days' for their students. It's certainly not a Parelli phenomenon.

    Whether they're called 'Play Days' or 'Fun Shows' the idea is still the same, just without the cultish, Jim Jones-esque weird undertones of the Parelli circus.
         
        06-30-2010, 12:40 PM
      #70
    Started
    Of course you don't have to be a Savvy Club member to call their office. How do you think people order things from them? ;)

    Mikolaj: yes, it's a bold statement but one I feel to be true (usually). I'm not afraid to be bold, as you are not afraid to be bold. Oh, and I'm not a teenager ;) What I have accomplished in my equestrian life so far I feel speaks more volumes then any ribbon. But to someone who can't get past all the.....things and mindsets.....that block learning from Parelli, they wouldn't see the value in what I have done. They horses do, though, and that's all that matters to me.
         

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