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post #11 of 29 Old 03-22-2012, 01:50 PM Thread Starter
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I'm just interested in hearing from some people who have used one or the other, or both and what they thought. Thanks!
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post #12 of 29 Old 03-22-2012, 01:55 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks everyone! But I'm really just looking for someone who has worked with one or the other, or both and can tell me which they liked.

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post #13 of 29 Old 03-23-2012, 01:01 PM
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I am in the Parelli savvy club, and I love it because there is a real sense of community among club members and getting a dvd in the mail each month motivates me to go out and try new things with my horse, otherwise my horse and I get bored doing the same old things over and over again.

For someone who isn't sure which training method they prefer or which trainer "speaks" to them I would not recommend just joining the club. The monthly Dvds are designed to go along with a foundation of the other "levels packages" so they may not be very helpful until a person has some knowledge of the program. I studied the levels for probably 3 years before actually joining the club(ebay & Renting the videos). In that time I studied a lot of other trainers too to decide which one fit me and my horses best.

I still enjoy learning from other trainers, I didn't know Stacey Westfall had videos, I looked on her website about a year ago and couldn't find anything, Does she have a club thing too?

Another trainer you might like is Denis Reis. I enjoy his methods, though his delivery is a little dry sometimes.

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post #14 of 29 Old 05-28-2012, 12:32 AM
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Are the 2 westfall hands down.

Comprehensive they make sense it easy to follow of horses she uses are not push button she goes to how to do each thing with several horses. Her methods are very well proven. Not just because she said so but because she has proven mathods in the
show ring. Can not say the same for PP.
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post #15 of 29 Old 06-01-2012, 01:34 AM
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I use a little bit of everything and a bit of my own to be completely honest. I love Clinton Anderson, Pat & Linda Parelli, Stacey Westfall, Monty Roberts and John Lyons. They all have something I like and something that I don't like, in fact if you go to YouTube I'm sure that you can find some good training videos on there as well! And don't be afraid to try something new that no one has ever tried before (unless it's something insane and/or dangerous). I love to experiment here and there and see what are "no-no's" and what is "a-go!" Just be careful and talk to a professional trainer before you experiment too much :)
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post #16 of 29 Old 06-01-2012, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner View Post
Are the 2 westfall hands down.

Comprehensive they make sense it easy to follow of horses she uses are not push button she goes to how to do each thing with several horses. Her methods are very well proven. Not just because she said so but because she has proven mathods in the
show ring. Can not say the same for PP.
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While I am not into showing or competing (I'm just a recreational trail rider for the moment), I really agree with the importance of a trainer (whether it's foundation training, or for a specific discipline) having some credentials beyond just being an "expert" within the program they've created.

They're not afraid to put themselves "out there" against others, to really test the abilities of themselves and the horses they have trained. I've read negative comments from Parelli and his followers about people who show/compete, and accuse "show people" of just chasing after points and ribbons.

That may be true of some, but others actually are out there to make their personal-bests whether or not they "win" anything. Maybe the goal is to complete a jumper course with zero faults, or get a good score in reining or dressage, or complete an endurance ride, or just to have a noticeable improvement in the performance of your horse.

The ironic thing is that so many of the NH programs out there have their own "levels" and some of the participants get just as snotty about being at a certain level, or gawking at someone who has reached a higher level. The "levels" of any one trainers program only mean something to the people who participate in that trainer's program, because it's only based on the standards of that program and you can more or less buy your way into it.

Showing/competing is not only about ribbons and being the best. It's a great opportunity to see how you're really doing, to measure your progress, and to watch other riders and horses that you might otherwise never get to see. SW has done that, she has proven her ability against other riders and trainers. She may not always win her classes, but at least she is out there putting her abilities to the test.

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post #17 of 29 Old 06-13-2012, 03:07 AM
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I haven't studied Westfall, but have been exposed to some Parelli and I really like the idealogy behind it. I also found some Youtube videos for the MEA Way by Marlis Amato who teaches how to "speak Equus" in order to connect with your horse via the herd mentality/language. Her videos online are great although short and I ordered her book "team concept, creating a partnership with your horse" and I LOVE it. I've highlighted the heck out of it actually. I just wish she had DVDs for sale or rent, I can't find them anywhere and her method really speaks to me.

I wish you luck in finding a program that works for you and your horse! Please keep us updated!
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post #18 of 29 Old 06-15-2012, 03:05 AM
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I don't think you should follow one while shunning another. This is not religion.-
Read/watch Westfall, Parelli, Anderson, Buck, Classical Dressage, Old Cowboy, Whatever, and use the ideas/methods/concepts that work best for you and your horse. You are just shorting yourself if you say I can't do xxx's training methods because I am a strict follower of yyy.
I agree....While most of my training of my horses started with Parelli, I have gained knowledge of other trainers which I have taken bits and pieces from. Each of my horses are totally different and I had to adjust the method, tools/aids and logic to allow clear communication. I do like the Parelli horsenality thing....not saying it is the Bible...but it does help me understanding horse personality differences. I believe that you should find the best method that allows you to be coordinated, patient, non-emotional, consistent and fair while training so that the horse has the best opportunity to build clear communication with you and build a respectful relationship. Parelli saved my crazy mare since she is scared of her own shadow and is dominant....it was a gentler approach. Using a stick of any kind would have sent her through the roof. While many of Clint Anderson's stuff worked better for my OTTB who got bored easily, was scared of nothing and didn't take me serious at first.
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post #19 of 29 Old 06-15-2012, 03:09 AM
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....I also love Buck because I relate with his teachings very well I think. John Lyons and Monty Roberts too, but adjust accordingly.
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post #20 of 29 Old 06-19-2012, 10:25 PM
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Stacy is one of my favorite trainers ever. :) There aren't too many famous trainers I like, but she's one of them. I've seen both her and Parelli in person, and there is a huge difference. All Pat and Linda do is show off their circus tricks without really explaining anything. They insinuate the idea of, "buy our stuff, and you'll be able to do this tomorrow".

Westfall, on the other hand, does a fantastic job of explaining her methods, why they work, etc. She makes it simple and easy to follow. She's not there to show off, she's there to teach you. She's very down to earth, too. Not that you should only follow one trainer. Check out some different ones and take something from each of them.

You really don't need to buy a certain trainer's merchandise. You can get everything you need for your horse at normal tack shops or online, and for a fraction of the price of stuff with Pat Parelli's name on it.
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